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Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast

sooda

Veteran Member
Tacitus would be about 4 years old at the time of Nero's fiddling, and was not known for being an objective writer. This despite the fact that Nero's supposed killing of Paul, the founder of Christianity, had little to do with the Jews, the holy people, who had been thrown out of Rome at that time, other than both Paul and Nero persecuted supposed followers of "Jesus". Revelation 13:7 is about the "beast" making war with the saints, the holy people, not the lawless followers of Paul (Romans 7:6), the "Christians". Paul was probably killed more for his political association with Herod than him being "Christian". As avowed "sinners", the "Christians" would be more in the realm of being sons of the devil than sons of God (1 John 3:8).

Tacitus was born in 56 AD.

How did the Apostle Paul die? - Bible Study
www.biblestudy.org/question/sauldie.html
However, evidence highly suggests the apostle Paul's death occurred after his fifth missionary journey ended in 67 A.D. Paul was likely beheaded by the Romans, under Emperor Nero, sometime around May or June of 68 A.D. Nero himself died by suicide on June 9th of the same year.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Jewish historian, Josephus, suggests that Christianity had a particular following among slaves and freedmen, and the sacking of Jerusalem by Vespasian and Titus in 68 AD, graphically portrayed on reliefs on the Arch of Titus, almost certainly brought large numbers of Jewish people to Rome as slaves.

Over the decades that followed, some of these people probably remained true to the faith of their forbears, whilst others converted to Christianity and others still became assimilated to the Roman population, but their descendants may have changed Rome in ways that neither they nor their captors could have predicted.

Time Present and Time Past: Jews and Christians in 1st Century Rome
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Tacitus was born in 56 AD.

How did the Apostle Paul die? - Bible Study
www.biblestudy.org/question/sauldie.html
However, evidence highly suggests the apostle Paul's death occurred after his fifth missionary journey ended in 67 A.D. Paul was likely beheaded by the Romans, under Emperor Nero, sometime around May or June of 68 A.D. Nero himself died by suicide on June 9th of the same year.

Nero's persecution was particularly vicious. Tacitus (c. A.D. 60-120), a Roman historian, has preserved a record of this situation. We quote the following from his Annals (XV.44).

You need to get your story straight. You quote A.D. 60 in one post, and A.D. 56 in another. Whether he was 4 or 8 years old, does not really matter. There is little known about the guy except he supposedly married the daughter of a general who fought in the greater Roman empire, and it is doubtful he was in Rome during his childhood. He was raised most probably in his birth place of Gallia Belgica, of Gaul. As for the death of Paul, there is conflicting evidence on how he died, but I gravitate to the story that Nero personally strangled him, for that is apparently how Nero killed his political enemies. Paul's death is the reason for the ire of the "Christians". Their concern was not for the actual saints, who were being persecuted per Revelation 13:7, but their wicked/lawless hides. And newer evidence seems to show Nero was not as bad as his haters depicted.

https://www.livescience.com/64812-nero-emperor-reign-pbs.html
Feb 20, 2019 · However, a recent examination of historic records suggests that Nero was likely innocent of some of these heinous crimes, according to a new PBS documentary on …
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Nope.. the invasion of Judah and Jerusalem, not by the Medes and Persians, but by the Assyrian army.

Assyria’s conquest of the northern kingdom of Israel began approximately 740 BC under King Pul.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem
The Assyrian account. After he besieged Jerusalem, Sennacherib was able to give the surrounding towns to Assyrian vassal rulers in Ekron, Gaza and Ashdod. His army was still in existence when he conducted campaigns in 702 BCE and from 699 BCE until 697 BCE, when he made several campaigns in the mountains east of Assyria,...

Assyrian captivity - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_captivity
The Assyrian captivity (or the Assyrian exile) is the period in the history of Ancient Israel and Judah during which several thousand Israelites of ancient Samaria were resettled as captives by Assyria. This is one of the many instances of forcible relocations implemented by the …

The Assyrians conquered the northern tribes not Jerusalem. Their only conquest of Judah was with respect to towns surrounding Jerusalem. Isaiah 22 is an "oracle concerning the valley of vision" whereas it is about a future conquest of the city of David (Isaiah 22:1 & 9), and Elam with their "quiver" was a central figure (Isaiah 22:6).

assyrian-empire-to-sennarcherib-1950x1360x300.jpg
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You need to get your story straight. You quote A.D. 60 in one post, and A.D. 56 in another. Whether he was 4 or 8 years old, does not really matter. There is little known about the guy except he supposedly married the daughter of a general who fought in the greater Roman empire, and it is doubtful he was in Rome during his childhood. He was raised most probably in his birth place of Gallia Belgica, of Gaul. As for the death of Paul, there is conflicting evidence on how he died, but I gravitate to the story that Nero personally strangled him, for that is apparently how Nero killed his political enemies. Paul's death is the reason for the ire of the "Christians". Their concern was not for the actual saints, who were being persecuted per Revelation 13:7, but their wicked/lawless hides. And newer evidence seems to show Nero was not as bad as his haters depicted.

https://www.livescience.com/64812-nero-emperor-reign-pbs.html
Feb 20, 2019 · However, a recent examination of historic records suggests that Nero was likely innocent of some of these heinous crimes, according to a new PBS documentary on …

However, evidence highly suggests the apostle Paul's death occurred after his fifth missionary journey ended in 67 A.D. Paul was likely beheaded by the Romans, under Emperor Nero, sometime around May or June of 68 A.D. Nero himself died by suicide on June 9th of the same year.

How did the Apostle Paul die? - The Bible Study Site
www.biblestudy.org/question/sauldie.html
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Elam was a province of Persia (Ezr 4:9). In Sennacherib's time, Elam was subject to Assyria (2Ki 18:11), and so furnished a contingent to its invading armies. Famed for the bow (Isa 13:18; Jer 49:35), in which the Ethiopians alone excelled them.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem

Isaiah is writing about Hezekiah’s reign.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Elam was a province of Persia (Ezr 4:9). In Sennacherib's time, Elam was subject to Assyria (2Ki 18:11), and so furnished a contingent to its invading armies. Famed for the bow (Isa 13:18; Jer 49:35), in which the Ethiopians alone excelled them.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem

Isaiah is writing about Hezekiah’s reign.

Ezra 4:9 is about the time of the Persians and Babylon, not the time of the Assyrians. 2 Kings 18:11 is not about Elam, or Jerusalem, but about Assyria and the norther tribes, the house of Israel/Israel. Isaiah 13:18 is an oracle about Babylon, and the Medes will overthrow them. The Medes of today would be the Kurds of Northern Iraq, who just conquered ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Your mode of operation seems to be one of throwing around straw men, with no foundation in fact. Assyria never captured Jerusalem. In the future, the surrounding nations, will (Zechariah 14:1-3).
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Ezrah 4:9 is about the time of the Persians, not the time of the Assyrians. 2 Kings 18:11 is not about Elam, or Jerusalem, but about Assyria and the norther tribes, the house of Israel/Israel. Isaiah 13:18 is an oracle about Babylon, and the Medes will overthrow them. The Medes of today would be the Kurds of Northern Iraq, who just conquered ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Your mode of operation seems to be one of throwing around straw men, with no foundation in fact.

The Assyrian conquest of Elam refers to the conquest of the Elamite Kingdom in western Persia by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. The Elamite lands were finally ravaged beyond repair in 639 BC
Assyrian conquest of Elam - Wikipedia


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sooda

Veteran Member
Ezra says that from the reign of King Cyrus down to the reign of King Darius, opposition stalled the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem. This period included the reigns of Kings called Xerxes and Artaxerxes. After this, in the time of Darius, the Temple was built. It was then after this that Artaxerxes allowed Ezra to leave Babylon.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The Assyrian conquest of Elam refers to the conquest of the Elamite Kingdom in western Persia by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. The Elamite lands were finally ravaged beyond repair in 639 BC
Assyrian conquest of Elam - Wikipedia

You need to get your dates straight. Your referenced Assyrian siege of Jerusalem was noted to be around 702 BCE, while your conquest of Elamite lands is noted by you as 639 BC. The Assyrians sieged Jerusalem, they did not capture it. You are throwing around information without relevance. It was the Babylonians who destroyed Jerusalem around 586 BC. The "Elamite lands" were not "ravaged beyond repair". Darius used Susa as his capitol, and Alexander captured Susa without a fight. It was the Elamite people who were shipped out to Samaria. Jeremiah's prophecy concerning Elam was given at the beginning of the "reign of Zedekiah (Jeremiah 49:34), which was around 597 B.C., which was after the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians in around 702 BC.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem
The Assyrian account. After he besieged Jerusalem, Sennacherib was able to give the surrounding towns to Assyrian vassal rulers in Ekron, Gaza and Ashdod. His army was still in existence when he conducted campaigns in 702 BCE and from 699 BCE until 697 BCE, when he made several campaigns in the mountains east of Assyria,...
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You need to get your dates straight. Your referenced Assyrian siege of Jerusalem was noted to be around 702 BCE, while your conquest of Elamite lands is noted by you as 639 BC. The Assyrians sieged Jerusalem, they did not capture it. You are throwing around information without relevance. It was the Babylonians who destroyed Jerusalem around 586 BC. The "Elamite lands" were not "ravaged beyond repair". Darius used Susa as his capitol, and Alexander captured Susa without a fight. It was the Elamite people who were shipped out to Samaria. Jeremiah's prophecy concerning Elam was given at the beginning of the "reign of Zedekiah (Jeremiah 49:34), which was around 597 B.C., which was after the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians in around 702 BC.

Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem
The Assyrian account. After he besieged Jerusalem, Sennacherib was able to give the surrounding towns to Assyrian vassal rulers in Ekron, Gaza and Ashdod. His army was still in existence when he conducted campaigns in 702 BCE and from 699 BCE until 697 BCE, when he made several campaigns in the mountains east of Assyria,...

Did you actually look at the wiki link I posted or just post it yourself?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Julius Caesar died in 44 BC.

Vespasian was stuck in Palestine for six month before he went to Rome to be inducted as Caesar. During that six months after the death of Nero his son Domitian was temporary emperor of Rome.

Titus Flavius Vespasianus - 892

Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus Augustus - 89283
 

sooda

Veteran Member
When *Hoshea son of Elah revolted against Assyria, Shalmaneser v besieged and conquered Samaria. His successor, Sargon ii, states that 27,290 people (variant 27,280) were exiled from the city of Samaria.

In place of the Israelite deportees, Sargon settled residents of other defeated nations in the Assyrian province of Samaria.

In this connection the Bible mentions exiles from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim (ii Kings 17:24), while an inscription of Sargon ii specifies members of four Arab tribes who were settled in "Omriland" (Bīt Ḫumri) in 716/5 b.c.e.

Finally, according to Ezra 4:1–2, forbears of the later Samaritans were brought into the province of Samaria by Esarhaddon, and, according to Ezra 4:9–10, "the great glorious Asenappar" – probably to be identified with Ashurbanipal – settled people from *Erech, *Babylon.

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Exile, Assyrian | Encyclopedia.com
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
If world events allow Barack Obama to use nukes and destroy most if not all the world, then here is a scriptural foundation as to why he is the beast.

666 is connected to the name he used as a child, his step father was named SoeToRO, he used the name as a child in Indonesia, Barry SoeToRO.

STRO has a value of 666 in Kabbalah in Hebrew, how you would spell that name.

Jesus said in Mark 10:18 he saw SATAN fall as LIGHTNING

Barack is LIGHTNING in Hebrew BRQ

The oldest fragment of Revelations has been found, it is known as P 115, it shows XIC or CIX as the real number

In CIX is roman numerals the most common number system at the time of Jesus, so CIX is 109 in Roman numerals

109 is Lightning in Kabbalah what Jesus called Satan

109 is BZQ or Bazack

The twin to that word is BRQ or Barack

Jesus named Barack or Bazack since both mean lightning

P 115 names Lightning

666 is the Hidden Number which is STRO or the name Barack used as a child

If Barack goes out as president of the USA in 2017 without using nukes, then he is not the beast

If he does, now you all know why he is the beast, scripture identifies him as a POSSIBLE candidate, his deeds will label him in history as either Beast or a mere man

One reason why the beast is not a person.

13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The woman is sitting upon all of the nations of the world, and the little nation is healed because of the united nations.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
One reason why the beast is not a person.

13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The woman is sitting upon all of the nations of the world, and the little nation is healed because of the united nations.

I believe that is a different beast.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I believe that is a different beast.

The “sea” is a good metaphor because it is an unstable and dangerous place. In contrast, the “land” of Revelation represents the people of God. The “beast” of Revelation 13:2 comes out of the “sea,” meaning that this beast comes from the world.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
I believe that is a different beast.

Nope. Same beast. There's only two. One is the False Prophet... hint.

Which Prophet makes people worship an international power?
Which Power decapitates people who refuse to worship their god?
When was the thing built and standing in the holy place, causing the people who follow the Law and the Prophets to flee?
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
The “sea” is a good metaphor because it is an unstable and dangerous place. In contrast, the “land” of Revelation represents the people of God. The “beast” of Revelation 13:2 comes out of the “sea,” meaning that this beast comes from the world.

True. The woman is described as siting upon waters, and the waters are described as peoples... and the woman is described as siting upon the beast.
The waters = the people = the beast.
 
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