Can all religions come together?

Amanaki said:

Well if people could stop seeing Isis as a religious sect it would be good,

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Why? It is one. Can I start deciding that mainstream Islam in Muslim nations isn't a sect nor religion thus are not protected by any rights what so ever?

Non of those guys has anything with true religion or spiritual practice to do.

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Projection and opinion

Yes they use the little knowledge they have about Islam to use that as their weapon, but as i have said many times in this forum, Those guys do not know anything about islam, Yes they do recite the quran but when asked what the words actually means, they do not know. So personally i do not see them as Muslims.

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Projection and opinion.

All you are doing is injecting a supremacy view of your own on which religions are valid or not. You are now working again the OP itself by declaring what is on the list and what will never make that same list. You have turned "all" into your subjective opinion.

Shad said:

Why? It is one. Can I start deciding that mainstream Islam in Muslim nations isn't a sect nor religion thus are not protected by any rights what so ever?



Projection and opinion



Projection and opinion.

All you are doing is injecting a supremacy view of your own on which religions are valid or not. You are now working again the OP itself by declaring what is on the list and what will never make that same list. You have turned "all" into your subjective opinion.

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no, what i do is using the knowledge obtained from study religion for more then 20 years to say that extremists are not religious. They do evil deeds like killing. A true religious person know killing is totally wrong action. An extremist do not see this. They honestly belive what they do is good. But we know it is not a rightroues action.

Amanaki said:

Would it be possible to unite all religions in to a discussion forum (physically place. not internet) to benefit the understanding of each others? Not to become one united religion, but to be able to respect each others?

Example what would it take for Christians to sit down with Muslims and discuss on a higher level then to argue against each others all the time?
Or for Buddhists to sit down with Jews to discuss?

Personally i think we can benefit from each others as human beings, not in the differences in the different religious beliefs

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Religion is divisive in nature. Christians can't even agree with one another....

Milton Platt said:

Religion is divisive in nature. Christians can't even agree with one another....

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I do agree we are in a chaotic time right now, so the religions does come across difficult to understand and people do say and mean different things, and this again lead to discussion that can be heated, then misunderstandings happens and suddenly nothing seem right in a religion.
So it take daily study and cultivating of the teachings to actually have a chance to understand it and be able to deliver it to others. We do see the chaos in the forum too

Amanaki said:

I do agree we are in a chaotic time right now, so the religions does come across difficult to understand and people do say and mean different things, and this again lead to discussion that can be heated, then misunderstandings happens and suddenly nothing seem right in a religion.
So it take daily study and cultivating of the teachings to actually have a chance to understand it and be able to deliver it to others. We do see the chaos in the forum too

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There are continually more denominations moving forward through time, never fewer. And all those others who disagree with you are doing the same reading you are.

Milton Platt said:

There are continually more denominations moving forward through time, never fewer. And all those others who disagree with you are doing the same reading you are.

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Yes, two people can read same scripture, and understand it differently, that is true. And in my understanding this comes from the ability to understad the truth in the text.

Amanaki said:

no, what i do is using the knowledge obtained from study religion for more then 20 years to say that extremists are not religious.

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When you contact God let me know. Your so-called studies do not give you any authority to declare the legitimacy of another's belief.

They do evil deeds like killing.

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Which is beyond routine for the religious after millennia after millennia of history.

A true religious person know killing is totally wrong action.

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Opinion

An extremist do not see this.

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Opinion

They honestly belive what they do is good.

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Says every religion on the planet for the most part.

But we know it is not a rightroues action.

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Who is we? The royal "we" or argument from popularity?

Shad said:

When you contact God let me know. Your so-called studies do not give you any authority to declare the legitimacy of another's belief.



Which is beyond routine for the religious after millennia after millennia of history.



Opinion



Opinion



Says every religion on the planet for the most part.




Who is we? The royal "we" or argument from popularity?

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No need to continue this conversation with, all you do is to say, because you are not agree e

Shad said:

When you contact God let me know. Your so-called studies do not give you any authority to declare the legitimacy of another's belief.



Which is beyond routine for the religious after millennia after millennia of history.



Opinion



Opinion



Says every religion on the planet for the most part.




Who is we? The royal "we" or argument from popularity?

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But you have autority to dismiss what i say? Where is your "proves" i speak false? When will you prove your way is the right one?

Amanaki said:

Well if people could stop seeing Isis as a religious sect it would be good, Non of those guys has anything with true religion or spiritual practice to do. Yes they use the little knowledge they have about Islam to use that as their weapon, but as i have said many times in this forum, Those guys do not know anything about islam, Yes they do recite the quran but when asked what the words actually means, they do not know. So personally i do not see them as Muslims.

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I will have to disagree with you here.

Or perhaps I will not. You are reaching very similar conclusions to those that led me to decide that it is unproper to call Islaam a religion.

It is all on how aware of Islaam's teachings and practice one is.

LuisDantas said:

I will have to disagree with you here.

Or perhaps I will not. You are reaching very similar conclusions to those that led me to decide that it is unproper to call Islaam a religion.

It is all on how aware of Islaam's teachings and practice one is.

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Being a Muslim is a religious endeavour: being an Islamicist is a political one, in my honest view.

Shantanu said:

Being a Muslim is a religious endeavour: being an Islamicist is a political one, in my honest view.

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Again, I just can't really agree.

I used to assume the same things that you have just stated. But I have learned better.

LuisDantas said:

Again, I just can't really agree.

I used to assume the same things that you have just stated. But I have learned better.

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The reason I say that Islam is a political theology is that it tells people how to govern themselves in the State that one lives in and extends the scriptures accordingly.

Shantanu said:

The reason I say that Islam is a political theology is that it tells people how to govern themselves in the State that one lives in and extends the scriptures accordingly.

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I guess that I agree, although I am not sure on why you mention that now.

LuisDantas said:

I guess that I agree, although I am not sure on why you mention that now.

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I mention it now because I have never seen the evidence that all Muslims subscribe to sharia law. You need to be an Islamicist to do that as far as I know.

Oh, are you then implying that there is a significant separation between the random Muslim and active proponents of Sharia and/or of the political implications of Islaam?

That is a very difficult question to answer, albeit also a very interesting one to pursue. Even more interesting are the implications. Is Islaam even supposed to be composed of two such distinctly separated groups? Is it even legitimate adherence if such is the case? Is there any reason not to call that unfair manipulation of the masses? Can Islaam rise above that impressively predictable situation if manipulation it is, or is that manipulation an inherent part of Islaam?

Yes, those that follow the five pillars of Islam are Muslims, those who enact laws based on their interpretation of their Prophet Mohmammed presecribe a whole new way of living.

shunyadragon said:

No clarity, because it is a claim based on a religious belief. Actually, the response did not address the problem.

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No, it's not a claim, Jesus rose from the dead!

BilliardsBall said:

No, it's not a claim, Jesus rose from the dead!

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And that's a claim.

Amanaki said:

No need to continue this conversation with, all you do is to say, because you are not agree

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Of course I disagree with a random person on the internet declaring which are valid beliefs and which are not.

But you have autority to dismiss what i say?

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I do not need any authority to dismiss a subjective opinion based on nothing demonstrated.

Where is your "proves" i speak false?

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You provided zero evidence. I do not need counter-evidence to dismiss an subjective opinion that has no evidence

When will you prove your way is the right one?

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When I can read minds. Have you figured out how to do this yet?

You are ranting as I exposed your bad faith which reflects the OP itself. You had a hidden premise which is you have decided which views are valid nor not but failed to share those views in the OP itself

My answer to this is that I have no interest in bringing all religions together. In fact, I'm opposed to that I think that all it does is confuse people, and distract and divert us from what we really need to be doing. My interest is in bringing people together, across the widest divides between ideological factions, religious and non-religious. It looks to me like trying to do that by pretending that differences in beliefs and practices don't matter, sometimes does more to perpetuate and intensify some of the divides than to bring people together across them. I think that beliefs and practices are the wrong place to look for common ground. I know that it's part of popular thinking in the Baha'i Faith and in maybe in initiatives with "interfaith" in their names, but I think that's the wrong place to look. One place I see to look for common ground is in community service. Another place I see to look for common ground is in our human nature, including the parts of it that we stigmatize. I'm thinking now that growing and spreading recognition of the weaknesses that we all have in common might do more than anything else to bring down the imaginary walls between us defined by ideological labels.