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Where does "All religions are one" come from?

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Sometimes I see people saying that Baha'is believe that all religions are one. I'm a Baha'i, and I don't agree with saying that. Just now I searched on the Internet, and in a Baha'i software library, and didn't find "all religions are one" anywhere in Baha'i scriptures, or even in messages from the House of Justice. Can anyone tell me where that came from? I'm wondering if Baha'is got that idea from from William Blake.

William Blake: All Religions Are One
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I said that I didn't find that in Baha'i scriptures, or in any messages from the House of Justice. I know that it's popular thinking among Baha'is. I'm just wondering where they originally got the idea to say that.
Okay then, I misunderstood. I'm sure a Baha'i could help you out. maybe post it over on the Baha'i forum. Surely they got it from somewhere.
 
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siti

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or even in messages from the House of Justice.

"Above all, we expressed our conviction that the time has come when religious leadership must face honestly and without further evasion the implications of the truth that God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression and human interpretation, religion is likewise one." - from the foreword of One Common Faith (my bold)
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I personally have noticed a common thread through the major religions that I have looked into like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and so on. I have heard said that all religions point to the same place. I don't share such a broad view as that. Some religions are very very diametrically opposed. But I have read the Bible, the Quran, the Gita, and some Buddhist writings and see some very common things within some of those. Certainly, it's an interesting study.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
"Above all, we expressed our conviction that the time has come when religious leadership must face honestly and without further evasion the implications of the truth that God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression and human interpretation, religion is likewise one." - from the foreword of One Common Faith (my bold)
Thank you. I agree with saying that "religion is one," and I've seen where that comes from. I disagree with rephrasing that into "all religions are one." I'm wondering when and how that became popular among Baha'is, and I'm thinking that maybe they got that idea from William Blake. I don't object to William Blake saying that. He was a poet. I do object to Baha'is rephrasing "religion is one" into "all religions are one." I see that creating grievous misunderstandings.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
@Vinayaka Those quotes are all about the relationships between some of the central figures in the lore of all the religions. I know we disagree about that, and I'm not trying to gloss over that. My objection to saying "all religions are one" is that it adds a layer of confusion, diverting and distracting attention from what we're really disagreeing about. I'm suspecting that some Baha'i author or authors said that to embellish what they were saying with a quote from an admired poet, and that's how the idea started to spread among Baha'is, to say that. I don't know if it would be possible to trace that idea back to where it came from. Just now I thought of someone who might know. Maybe I'll try asking him.
 

siti

Well-Known Member
I do object to Baha'is rephrasing "religion is one" into "all religions are one." I see that creating grievous misunderstandings.
I am struggling to see the difference to be honest - especially in that UHJ quote from OCF. I mean I can see the syntactic and semantic distinctions between the two phrases, but doesn't the second follow logically and necessarily from the first - and especially so in view of the key elements of Baha'i faith - Manifestations and progressive revelation...how can one not get the idea that what is intended is to suggest that the Manifestations collectively and progressively revealed the one true religion based on the worship of the one true God?

If you unpack "God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression and human interpretation, religion is likewise one" do you not necessarily get "all religions are one" with the only possible caveat being "they (non-Baha'is) just don't know it yet"?

I'm not tryming to be argumentative - I'm trying to answer the question you posed. I doubt that many Baha'is would be acutely aware of the William Blake quote - I just think they are drawing the only possible conclusion they can from the doctrine of "unity of religion".

Anyways, all that apart, I am genuinely interested in how you make the distinction between "religion is one" and "all religions are one". Are you suggesting that other religions are equally legitimate ways to approach God - or that they are not? Can you see that the distinction could be between true and true, true and truer or true and false - assuming that at least one religion is true?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
@Vinayaka Those quotes are all about the relationships between some of the central figures in the lore of all the religions. I know we disagree about that, and I'm not trying to gloss over that. My objection to saying "all religions are one" is that it adds a layer of confusion, diverting and distracting attention from what we're really disagreeing about. I'm suspecting that some Baha'i author or authors said that to embellish what they were saying with a quote from an admired poet, and that's how the idea started to spread among Baha'is, to say that. I don't know if it would be possible to trace that idea back to where it came from. Just now I thought of someone who might know. Maybe I'll try asking him.

To be honest, I've heard other phrases like, 'All religions are basically the same," more often. There are lots of ways to say similar things about faiths. In general, (and I do mean in general, and there are exceptions) it's been an overly simplistic notion proposed by folks who are regurgitating other folks, or who were simply too lazy to study out some other religions.

As a true lover of diversity as part of my personal faith, I do counter such statements in hopes of demonstrating such diversity. Rarely with much success though.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Sometimes I see people saying that Baha'is believe that all religions are one. I'm a Baha'i, and I don't agree with saying that. Just now I searched on the Internet, and in a Baha'i software library, and didn't find "all religions are one" anywhere in Baha'i scriptures, or even in messages from the House of Justice. Can anyone tell me where that came from? I'm wondering if Baha'is got that idea from from William Blake.

William Blake: All Religions Are One

You sure jump from one thing to another.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Sometimes I see people saying that Baha'is believe that all religions are one. I'm a Baha'i, and I don't agree with saying that. Just now I searched on the Internet, and in a Baha'i software library, and didn't find "all religions are one" anywhere in Baha'i scriptures, or even in messages from the House of Justice. Can anyone tell me where that came from? I'm wondering if Baha'is got that idea from from William Blake.

William Blake: All Religions Are One
Just looking at his biography here: The William Blake Archive
Working as an engraver he trained himself to also paint. He worked in the publishing industry for much of his life. He had a hand in many published works.

This page lists many possible religious influences on Blake. Maybe he got it from them?
Blake's revolution
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I see people saying that Baha'is believe that all religions are one. I'm a Baha'i, and I don't agree with saying that. Just now I searched on the Internet, and in a Baha'i software library, and didn't find "all religions are one" anywhere in Baha'i scriptures, or even in messages from the House of Justice. Can anyone tell me where that came from? I'm wondering if Baha'is got that idea from from William Blake.

William Blake: All Religions Are One

It would be hard to logically conclude all religions are one since they differ in so may key points. Of course there are both similarities and contrasts.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Now I'll have to read Blake's pamphlet to see what it's all about. I'm sure that he didn't mean it in whatever way people are thinking that Baha'is believe.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
I am struggling to see the difference to be honest - especially in that UHJ quote from OCF.
"One Common Faith" was written for Baha'is, and it wasn't actually written by the House of Justice. It was written by some other people at its request. Besides, in my understanding of Baha'i scriptures, the House of Justice is explicitly excluded from having any authority in matters of belief.
I mean I can see the syntactic and semantic distinctions between the two phrases, but doesn't the second follow logically and necessarily from the first - and especially so in view of the key elements of Baha'i faith - Manifestations and progressive revelation...how can one not get the idea that what is intended is to suggest that the Manifestations collectively and progressively revealed the one true religion based on the worship of the one true God?

If you unpack "God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression and human interpretation, religion is likewise one" do you not necessarily get "all religions are one" with the only possible caveat being "they (non-Baha'is) just don't know it yet"?

I'm not tryming to be argumentative - I'm trying to answer the question you posed. I doubt that many Baha'is would be acutely aware of the William Blake quote - I just think they are drawing the only possible conclusion they can from the doctrine of "unity of religion"
I don't know what to think about that. That might explain why Baha'is don't see anything wrong with saying that, but it isn't enough for me, to explain where the idea originally came from to say that, in the first place. In fact, it actually seems unlikely to me that followers of Baha'u'llah would have started saying "all religions are one," without getting that idea from somewhere outside of Baha'i lore and scriptures.
Anyways, all that apart, I am genuinely interested in how you make the distinction between "religion is one" and "all religions are one". Are you suggesting that other religions are equally legitimate ways to approach God - or that they are not? Can you see that the distinction could be between true and true, true and truer or true and false - assuming that at least one religion is true?
Can we find or start another thread for that?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I said that I didn't find that in Baha'i scriptures, or in any messages from the House of Justice. I know that it's popular thinking among Baha'is. I'm just wondering where they originally got the idea to say that.
How can Bahais say that when beliefs in religions are totally different? Christians see Jesus as the son of God and do not need any other. Muslims say Jesus is not the son of God and that 'Quran' is the final messge from Allah. Bahais say no, another mirror image/manifestation of God arrived in the propounder of their faith, Ahmadiyyas say God sent a savior (Mahdi) in the propounder of their faith. Hindus say their are a thousand Gods and Goddesses if not millions. Each religion is different. It is the attempt at proselytization which makes some Bahais say that. They target eight religions other than their own, therefore, the nine pointed star. I think they can increase the number if required.
"Above all, we expressed our conviction that the time has come when religious leadership must face honestly and without further evasion the implications of the truth that God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression and human interpretation, religion is likewise one." - from the foreword of One Common Faith (my bold)
[Hide]Bahaullah is the latest manifesttion of God with the latest message and no other to come before 2856 CE.[/Hide]
.. and see some very common things within some of those.
Ethics and morals ('dharma') are not part of religion. They are plagiarized by religions. They belong to humans and their societies. No religion has a copy right over them.
 
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TransmutingSoul

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Sometimes I see people saying that Baha'is believe that all religions are one. I'm a Baha'i, and I don't agree with saying that. Just now I searched on the Internet, and in a Baha'i software library, and didn't find "all religions are one" anywhere in Baha'i scriptures, or even in messages from the House of Justice. Can anyone tell me where that came from? I'm wondering if Baha'is got that idea from from William Blake.

William Blake: All Religions Are One

I see Baha'i's would be talking about Divinely inspired religion, quotes such as these are from the talks of Abdul'baha;

"The Reality of the divine Religions is one, because the Reality is one and cannot be two. All the prophets are united in their message, and unshaken. They are like the sun; in different seasons they ascend from different rising points on the horizon. Therefore every ancient prophet gave the glad tidings of the future, and every future has accepted the past." Abdu'l-Baha : Abdu'l-Baha in London

"The foundation underlying all the divine precepts is one reality. It must needs be reality and reality is one. Therefore the foundation of the divine religions is one. But we can see that certain forms and ceremonies have crept in. They are heretical, they are accidental, because they differ, hence they cause differences among religions. If we set aside all superstitions and see the reality of the foundation we shall all agree, because religion is one and not multiple." Abdu'l-Baha : Divine Philosophy

"My purpose and intention is to remove from the hearts of men the religious enmity and hatred which have fettered them and to bring all religions into agreement and unity. Inasmuch as this hatred and enmity, this bigotry and intolerance are outcomes of misunderstandings, the reality of religious unity will appear when these misunderstandings are dispelled. For the foundation of the divine religions is one foundation. This is the oneness of revelation or teaching; but alas! we have turned away from that foundation, holding tenaciously to various dogmatic forms and blind imitation of ancestral beliefs. This is the real cause of enmity, hatred and bloodshed in the world; the reason of alienation and estrangement among mankind. Therefore I wish you to be very just and fair in your judgment of the following statements." Abdu'l-Baha : Foundations of World Unity

"The Sun of Divinity and of Reality has revealed itself in various mirrors. Though these mirrors are many, yet the Sun is one. The bestowals of God are one; the reality of the divine religion is one. Consider how one and the same light has reflected itself in the different mirrors or manifestations of it. There are certain souls who are lovers of the Sun; they perceive the effulgence of the Sun from every mirror. They are not fettered or attached to the mirrors; they are attached to the Sun itself and adore it, no matter from what point it may shine. But those who adore the mirror and are attached to it become deprived of witnessing the light of the Sun when it shines forth from another mirror." Abdu'l-Baha : The Promulgation of Universal Peace Part 1

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Anyways, all that apart, I am genuinely interested in how you make the distinction between "religion is one" and "all religions are one". Are you suggesting that other religions are equally legitimate ways to approach God - or that they are not? Can you see that the distinction could be between true and true, true and truer or true and false - assuming that at least one religion is true?

I think the important distinction for the Baha'i is that it is Divinely Inspired Religion that fit the criteria of being from the One God.

There is obviously a lot of religion that has been started by man that does not fit that criteria.

At the same time even religions started by man may contain content that is founded in the divinely inspired Faiths. Thus all good is from God and all else is from our own selves.

Regards Tony
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The idea is a natural one to present and to consider, although it is also rather problematic.

In a sense it must be true or at least approachable, if only out of a combination of idealistic altruism and fraternity. After all, there are reasons why we call them all religions despite their wild variety. Generally speaking, they tend to be spontaneous attempts at tending to very real social and existential needs that are pretty much universal.

However, factually, the idea that they are all "one" (or equivalent) can only work once one establishes what counts as a religion - or perhaps as a "true" religion. More critically, it can only work if one dares to declare that many a creed does not count as religions, or deliberately avoids the question, somewhat dishonestly IMO.

As for its origin, it seems clear that for the most part it is a well intentioned consequence of the very history of religious beliefs. For a very long time, arguably ever, religious identity was closely linked to tribal (or national) identity and shared many of its goals and advantages with it, along with a number of very serious drawbacks.

Many a sincere adherent realizes that and decides that such a hurdle must be confronted (a conclusion that I happen to agree with).

It turns out that the Bahai Faith must by necessity and origin put that consideration up and front for its own consideration, even if there is nothing explicitly demanding that in its core scriptures. A few decades later a similar realization came to that elusive entity, "the West", leading to a major component of what is now called New Age thinking. Holistic aesthetics all but demand that the idea be at least stated and seriously considered.

Unfortunately, it is still an ultimately unworkable idea, albeit for more prosaic reasons than those offered by most religions. In a nutshell, many self-declared religions are not so much "false" (a remarkably arbitrary statement in itself) as seriously flawed, sometimes to the point of deliberate disfunction, or even insanity and serious crime. It is understandable that altruistic idealists do not want to accept that, but it is nevertheless very much the truth.
 
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