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Old or new testament
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syo
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What of it?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Because it is not a "law book".
Faithofchristian
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In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.So when we say the bible has contradictions we ask ourselves what did Jesus say?
The Old Testament is alot more than just being good for history.
The Old testament foretold about Jesus first coming and Jesus second coming as well.
When it comes to Christians both old and new testaments foretold all about Christians.
There are no contradictions in the bible.
exchemist
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How do you reconcile the two different orders of creation in the first two chapters of Genesis?
Faithofchristian
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In Genesis 1:26, The male and female here are all the different races that are in the world came from.
Where as in Genesis 2:7, this being Adam and in Genesis 2:21-22 this being the creation of Eve.
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exchemist
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Ah so Genesis 1 explains the origin of Trump, Bannon and the KKK, while Genesis 2 is about the rest of us. I see. Thanks.
Faithofchristian
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The KKK came about by the liberal Democrats.
If you had studied the history of the KKK and Democrats you would have found this all out
exchemist
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Yes of course, they are all Vince Cable's fault. Vince Cable - Wikipedia
So everything Paul said is out the window.In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
And since Jesus said in every gospel (and Paul also said) that Jesus is not God, the Trinity is also out the window. (Which is a relief, since the doctrine is incoherent anyway.)
Personally I find it much easier to ask myself, What's the decent thing to do here?
rrobs
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If it were that simple we would all be blind.In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
Mark 9:47,
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Just because there is a page in all Bible's right in front of Matthew that say in big bold letters, "The New Testament" doesn't mean that is where the New Testament actually begins.
First of all, everything written before Jesus' birth was written so that Israel would recognize their redeemer. Jesus came to set up an everlasting kingdom. That is plain to see from reading Genesis to Malachi. Essentially the Bible is a book about Jesus, who in turn reveals God to the world.
Luke 24:27,
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
John 5:39,
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Of course, despite God's best efforts, Israel, at least the religious leaders, not only didn't recognize Jesus as their redeemer, they actually had him killed. Without the king the kingdom was put on hold. The book of Revelation is all about Jesus' second coming when all promises concerning the promised kingdom will come to pass. It is also spoke of in Jeremiah.
Jer 31:31,
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
While taught for thousands of years that we are now in the "new testament" Jeremiah clearly indicates that not to be the case. The New Testament is between God and His chosen people, i.e. Israel. Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament have anything to do with the Gentiles.
So where do the Gentiles come in the picture? They are taken care of in the books of Acts through Jude. Basically, during this period God deals with both Jew and Gentile in a completely different way than He dealt with Israel before Jesus' first coming and how He will deal them at his second coming.
Ephesians offers a good summary of what God is doing in the period between Acts and Jude:
Eph 2:11-22,
11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Do a word study on "mystery" in Paul's epistles. The Greek word "musterion" is better translated as secret. Once revealed, a secret can be understood. It'll take time and much thought, but if you do, you will see that Paul reveals to us in this day and time what the resurrection of Jesus really meant for all mankind, not just Israel. After all, wouldn't you think something grand must have happened by the resurrection of a man from the dead? Of course! It was a game changer to the nth degree. The things we have available to us in this period of time were not available before Christ rose from the dead, and they won't be available once he returns to fulfill all the promises God made to Israel concerning and everlasting kingdom. That is the very subject of the secret God revealed to Paul. Prior to that revelation to Paul, nobody had a clue of the secret.
1Cor 2:7,
But we (Paul) speak the wisdom of God in a mystery (secret), [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our (born again believers) glory:
Eph 3:4-9,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery (secret) of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I (Paul) should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery (secret), which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
I wouldn't blow anything I've said without spending much time in considering what the scriptures I've quoted have to say. If you spend the time to understand the implications of these things it'll change your life and your relationship with God and with His son, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I (Paul) should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery (secret), which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Acts 17:11,
These (the Bereans) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things (that Paul told them) were so.
Paul encouraged them to not just take his word for it. He encouraged them to study the scriptures to see if the things he said were true or not. The very next verse says that because they did what Paul suggested, many of them believed.
Acts 17:11,
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
When it comes to the words of life, opinions must take a back seat, the seat as far back as possible. When it comes to truth, the only rule of faith and practice ought to be the scriptures and nothing but the scriptures!
God bless...
InChrist
Free4ever
I believe the entire Bible is the word of God, His revelation for wisdom, understanding and insight. Having said that, though, I do believe that one must take the context into consideration and seek to discern who the specific passage is intended for, as well as let the light of the NT clarify the OT. Jesus definitely accepted the words of the OT prophets as holy scripture. Since Jesus is the ultimate revelation to humanity I think it is certainly worth seeking His wisdom and guidance in reading the scriptures and in all things.In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
InChrist
Free4ever
The difference is that the law is not abolished, but fulfilled by Christ. This means practically that one who outside of Christ ( a non-believer) is still accountable to keep the whole Law. It also means that one who is in Christ ( a believer) has met the demands of the Law through Christ having done so on their behalf and their life should now be changed with the desire to love, live, and serve Christ.
what's old is new again. rebranding or repurposing for the current times.In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
want to dance with twinkle toes through the tulips?
its in the music.
QuestioningMind
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In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
Of course we have no idea what if anything Jesus actually said. All we've got are the claims of fallible humans as to what he supposedly said.
MJFlores
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In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
I will follow what Jesus said:
Matthew 5:17-20 New International Version (NIV)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 13:52 New International Version (NIV)
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”
What do you think he is saying?
whirlingmerc
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In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
Jesus words support the Old testament. Jesus believed the Old Testament. Jesus said not a jot or titil of the Law would pass away
And the apostles? also believed all the words in the Old Testament were 'God breathed" All of them quoted it
Jesus actually made an argument over a word God said at the burning bush being present tense not past tense
Paul made an argument of seed being singular not plural in a promise given by God to Abraham
and so Jesus words in fact support the Old Testament as he said
'Moses wrote of Me' and at the Emmaus tomb he explained all in the law and the prophets on the Emmaus Road
whirlingmerc
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Of course when Paul said "All scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for correction, for training in righteousness that the man of God might be equip for even good work" he was talking about the Old Testament
In my opinion, christians should follow the words of Jesus alone. The Old testament is old and is good for history only. The new testament is what really matters. The apostles said things too but they are not gods like jesus. When it comes to christians, we should count Jesus' words above all.
There is a lot of knowledge and wisdom in the OT. You don't even have to be religious to benefit from it.