You seem to forget, that Yeshua is the "Word", the Law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17), made flesh (John 1:14). And in summation, the "Word" is about the "day of the LORD", the coming judgment of the world, preceded by the judgments of Judah and Ephraim. You can ignore, or nail Yeshua's testimony to the cross, or you can heed that testimony. You have apparently chosen the false prophet Paul, and Mohammad, along with the pope and his Roman church, whose authority came from the beast of Rome, and the dragon, who gave his authority to the beast (Revelation 13:4). According to Yeshua, you either produce good fruit, or you are cut down and thrown into the fire.
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Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast
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You seem to forget, that Yeshua is the "Word", the Law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17), made flesh (John 1:14). And in summation, the "Word" is about the "day of the LORD", the coming judgment of the world, preceded by the judgments of Judah and Ephraim. You can ignore, or nail Yeshua's testimony to the cross, or you can heed that testimony. You have apparently chosen the false prophet Paul, and Mohammad, along with the pope and his Roman church, whose authority came from the beast of Rome, and the dragon, who gave his authority to the beast (Revelation 13:4). According to Yeshua, you either produce good fruit, or you are cut down and thrown into the fire.
Ezekiel 11:9-11…9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and speak lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of My people or be recorded in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord GOD. 10Because they have led My people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and whitewashing any flimsy wall that is built, 11tell those whitewashing it that it will fall. Rain will come in torrents, I will send hailstones plunging down, and a windstorm will burst forth.…
I am pretty sure that it is the church of the "many" who are heading toward "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). And yet it is one, who will put a thousand to flight.(Joshua 23:10) It only takes one strong angel to throw Babylon into the sea.(Revelation 18:21) What happens to the daughters of Babylon when Babylon is thrown down with violence?
New American Standard Bible Matthew 7:13
"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Joshua 23:10 10 One of you routs a thousand, because the LORD your God fights for you, just as he promised.
https://biblehub.com/revelation/18-21.htm
New American Standard Bible Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.
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sooda
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I'm pretty sure he's a church of one.
Its always fundamentalist and futurists who are calling Obama the beast or JFK the AntiChrist or Russia Gog and Magog. Its either LAZY scholarship or an overdose of Hal Lindsey or Cyrus Scofield.
Oeste
Well-Known Member
It still makes your church a church of one, and I haven't exactly seen evidence of a hundred, let alone a thousand fleeing before you on this forum.
Oeste
Well-Known Member
Another way to look at it is to say they're no better than Preterists because they tagged the wrong guy.
It's all a matter of one's eschatological perspective.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I mean at least when Obama was President they kinda, sorta, had an argument. How sad is it they're still pushing this nonsense years after he became a private citizen???
sooda
Veteran Member
I don't understand..
sooda
Veteran Member
Babylon was defeated by Cyrus, but Iraq is still there.
Oeste
Well-Known Member
It's a pointing party, and depending on one's perspective, we are either early or late to the party.
If you're Futurist, then anyone you don't currently like...Reagan, Obama, Bin-ladin, Trump, Pense....from whatever group you don't like...blacks, whites, Muslims, Jews.... is prime candidate, front-runner and default nominee for the great, just or soon to open anti-Christ position. Anyone else was a minor anti-Christ or the wrong guy.
It's irritating to hear someone showed up early, stealing your thunder just before you make the big reveal, spreading stories the anti-Christ is already dead, gone and no longer in attendance when you can clearly see him walking around trying to beguile your guests.
If you're Preterist, then anyone you don't like reading about from the 1st Century is the anti-Christ...Nero, Vespasian or Titus...and they are the prime candidates, front-runner and default nominee for the late but great anti-Christ position. Anyone else is a minor anti-Christ or the wrong guy.
It's irritating to hear or see a bunch of Johnny-come-lately's show up and attempt to ruin your party, as they mill about idly pointing and slapping the "Anti-Christ" label on guests when you know for a fact the anti-Christ is long dead, buried and gone.
And just when we thought it couldn't get any worse, the Historicists march in, ruining the party for everyone as they they pronounce both schools of thought only half-right.
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Now let's take your Preterist statement:
and make it Futurist:
IMO, this forms a reasonable basis to conclude:
sooda
Veteran Member
LOLOL well done.
But Babylon the Great, who sits on the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 17:3), still has your obedience by way of her daughters. As for Iraq, it is now a desolate place. Can it get worse, of course. Can it get worse for the followers of the daughters of Babylon, certainly.
Obama's goal is to produce 1 million mini Obama's.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
What does that even mean?
You seem to miss the point. It is the "many" who are deceived (Matthew 7:13). And it includes those "who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14), and who have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8). They are not going to flee, for those destined for the sword, by the sword they were killed. This is past tense, for the god Caesar and his initial 10 horns have already killed those destined to be killed. You on the other hand, have to deal with "I saw another beast... who exercised all the authority of the first beast" (Revelation 13:11), who was the 7th head of the beast, Constantine, the "beast with two horns like a lamb", who was to go on and deceive those "who dwell on the earth' (Revelation 13:14). The deception was accomplished primarily at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Now, we are in the age of the 8th head of the beast, the one who was, and is not, who was Caesar, and now reigns by his demon spirit through the 10 horns of the 8th beast (Revelation 17:11). Today, you have the demon spirit of the devil, the false prophet, and the beast pulling the strings (Revelation 16:13-16). Your church of the tares is apparently lined up to be gathered up "first" (Matthew 13:30).
Revelation 13:10 10"If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's people.
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It means you can't kill a demon spirit. They just keep coming until they are thrown into the pit and the entrance sealed, or they are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:1 & 10).
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Uh-huh. Your demon detector needs recalibrating.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Dude, you got your 15 minutes of attention. Be on your way.
Getting too close to home am I?
sooda
Veteran Member
Iraq is fine. What are you talking about?
In Revelation “earth” represents Israel and “sea,” the Gentile nations as defined in Rev. 17:15. This same meaning is also explicit all over the Bible (Dan 7; 9:26; 11:10, 40; Ps 65:7; 144:7; Is 8:7-8; 17:12; 60:5; Jer 46:7-8; 47:1-2; 51:55-56; Ez 26:3; Na 1:8).
Thus the beast out of the sea with its 7 heads represents Rome and its Caesars beginning with the 1st, Julius Caesar.