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They Are Not Christians!

Thief

Rogue Theologian
A retired neighbour and I decided to seek out all the 'tea and chat' venues in our area in the hopes of finding a pleasant hour or two to spend during weekday mornings with new company. It's just more acceptable than drinking cheap cider on street corners, is all, although we could try that at some later time, maybe.

The over 60's club was cold and everybody stayed wrapped up in coats, there being no chance of heating such a huge hall. The Methodist church was friendly, warm and hospitable and I got a free piece of cake with my mug of tea. The Riverside Church was delightful and for a few coins we got pots of tea, a plate of biscuits and nice folks around us. This was looking really good!

And then yesterday we visited a Christian community which invites total sinners like us to a 'light refreshment and chat' venue. The lady who runs the place and her area supervisor were both lovely people, but there was a senior lady 'priest' from HQ present who might benefit from a few courses on diplomacy and conflict management. For that reason I will not name this church. One person shouldn't smash a group's reputation......

We were ushered in to a warm hall where a table was set! No mug of tea and biscuit there.... we were sat down and invited to choose from three soups, and rolls were handed round! My friend was totally off balance at such an unexpected level of formality. There was not much chatter amongst the ten or twelve guests and so (in order to discover more venues) I asked the lady opposite me if she visited any other church meetings. She did..... an evangelical chapel over there, and a Baptist church down the road and etc etc. And that's when I asked her if she ever visited the little Christian Spiritualist chapel which is not far from the Baptist Church. OMG! The senior HQ lady had overheard my question.

In a most unfortunate Germanic kind of accent she spoke loudly for all to hear with pointed finger stabbing the air, 'They are Not Christians!....... Those people are Not Christians!' The whole table came to a silent sit-still. My friend looked at me with that 'You p--t!' kind of expression that I know so well.

I tried to back peddle. I mumbled about 'Well, sure, there are so many different churches, and some churches do say that other Churches are not Christians.......'.

'No! They are not even a Church! Those people are Satanists!' she was shaking very slightly. 'Tell me!' she ordered, 'Do you celebrate Halloween? Do you dress up as Satan?!!!' Gentle members......... this is not at a deep south bible-bashing chapel, this is in a frigging English seaside town at table with a bunch of sweet old dears (I'm 70 now so that's me, OK?)

The senior lady pulled their Creed from a bag and thrust it under my nose...... I noticed the very last line which pointed out that Christians (well, their kind of Christians) would have happiness and joy forever......... while the wicked would suffer dreadful punishment for Eternity.

We talked for a little longer, maybe a few seconds, and then I noticed the time. Yes, it was time to go..... ..... My friend was clearly preparing for a full emergency evacuation (probably cursing my name), but the senior lady pointed out in that Germanic accent that 'Surely we would stay for the talk, No? You must stay for the talk!'.

...And at that point I chucked a fiver on the table and switched on 'polite but positive assertion' and removed self and friend to safety, a long way down the road. I think my friend has decided never to come to any more coffee-and-meet mornings with me ever again. Especially Christian ones!

And so.......... the debate...... Christian Churches here are dying fast, and a huge % of most congregations are elderly because the young are not believing in Christianity that pretends to be full of love whilst enjoying the idea of outsiders being tormented in endless horror. And young ones don't get the concept of 'Smiling faces which conceal scowling nasty mindsets'.

Which of you Christians point out other congregations whilst declaring 'They are not Christians!'... ?? In any event, I could happily stand back and let churches like that one destroy each other in their hot contention.
well.....I kinda thought the word Christian had a simple breakdown

of.....pertaining to.....having the characteristics of........Christ

and so...I confess
i am not Christian

and the label of Christian is an insult......but not unto me

heaven would come with blazing swords unto anyone claiming such attributes

the sick feel sooooooo much better in your presence?......do they?
the hungry are filled?
the poor are sheltered?
the naked are clothed?

walk on water?......do you?
storms go away by a wave of your hand?
the dead walk when you call them?

so no

I am not Christian
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yeah you are.. You are not being thorough.. 80 times Israel if referred to as whore or harlot.

In Revelation 11:8, the great city is Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified.

But in Revelation 21:10, the great city is New Jerusalem, which is now in heaven.

Revelation 11:8 8Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city-which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt-where also their LORD was crucified.

And in Revelation 14:8, Revelation 17:18, and Revelation 18:10-21, the great city is the symbolic whore/city of Babylon.

Hi....... again...... :)

The trouble with Revelation is that John wrote it.
That bloke couldn't even get the bunch of anecdotes he had collected about the Jesus story in to the right timeline. I mean, he thought that Jesus demonstrated in the Temple at the very beginning of his mission, when this happened at the very end.

I have read that a psychedelic mushroom grows in abundance on the penal island where John resided. I . reckon that Revelation could be the result of a regular intake of those
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Hi....... again...... :)

The trouble with Revelation is that John wrote it.
That bloke couldn't even get the bunch of anecdotes he had collected about the Jesus story in to the right timeline. I mean, he thought that Jesus demonstrated in the Temple at the very beginning of his mission, when this happened at the very end.

I have read that a psychedelic mushroom grows in abundance on the penal island where John resided. I . reckon that Revelation could be the result of a regular intake of those
would that not make him......divine?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Hi....... again...... :)

The trouble with Revelation is that John wrote it.
That bloke couldn't even get the bunch of anecdotes he had collected about the Jesus story in to the right timeline. I mean, he thought that Jesus demonstrated in the Temple at the very beginning of his mission, when this happened at the very end.

I have read that a psychedelic mushroom grows in abundance on the penal island where John resided. I . reckon that Revelation could be the result of a regular intake of those

What verse did he write about Jesus demonstrating in the Temple?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
well.....I kinda thought the word Christian had a simple breakdown

of.....pertaining to.....having the characteristics of........Christ

and so...I confess
i am not Christian
Nobody has ever told me that they have the characteristics of Christ. Nobody.


and the label of Christian is an insult......but not unto me
I have never heard anybody use the title 'Christ' as an insult.

heaven would come with blazing swords unto anyone claiming such attributes
No.....it won't.

the sick feel sooooooo much better in your presence?......do they?
the hungry are filled?
the poor are sheltered?
the naked are clothed?
Is your country Christian?
Does it feed, shelter and cloth all?

walk on water?......do you?
storms go away by a wave of your hand?
the dead walk when you call them?

so no

I am not Christian
Jesus didn't walk on water, he flew through it....... no doubt.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
would that not make him......divine?

I think he's confused.

Revelation 11:1-2 KJV - And there was given me a reed like ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11:1-2...
Revelation 11:1-2 King James Version (KJV) 11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

It was 42 months from 66 to 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed and the tribulation was over.

Rev 21:22 KJV

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I think he's confused.

Revelation 11:1-2 KJV - And there was given me a reed like ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11:1-2...
Revelation 11:1-2 King James Version (KJV) 11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

It was 42 months from 66 to 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed and the tribulation was over.

Rev 21:22 KJV

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
do you offer this?....as an item you understand
 

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Have you got any bible quotes about folks going to hell? That might help build on the idea.
:)

I don't have a bible to hand for direct quotes, but in revelations 20:14 (I think) it says that those who reject god and his ways will go to hell. There's multiple definitions of hell, but as far as the traditional notion of it goes, it's non-believers and apostates who go to hell. People who are sorry about being sinners can go to heaven no problem.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
From this period, the area includes a massive fortification system that has recently been excavated. Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.”

(Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would consider a metropolis.)

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/ancient-jerusalem/
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I don't have a bible to hand for direct quotes, but in revelations 20:14 (I think) it says that those who reject god and his ways will go to hell. There's multiple definitions of hell, but as far as the traditional notion of it goes, it's non-believers and apostates who go to hell. People who are sorry about being sinners can go to heaven no problem.
I think it interesting.....in Spanish....

sin means ....without

so....to live without God
is to live in sin
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
What verse did he write about Jesus demonstrating in the Temple?

I'm sorry........ I thought you would have read John.
Let me show you:-

John:...........
Jesus went up to Jerusalem, {2:14} And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: {2:15} And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

........... quite a demonstration.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
it started out that way after the execution.....it was used as an insult

Well, the word 'Christ' was never mentioned after the execution. The Jewish people didn't even know the word, although the Hellenist Priesthood may have.

I'm not even sure that Jesus died that day, but that's another story altogether.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I don't have a bible to hand for direct quotes, but in revelations 20:14 (I think) it says that those who reject god and his ways will go to hell. There's multiple definitions of hell, but as far as the traditional notion of it goes, it's non-believers and apostates who go to hell. People who are sorry about being sinners can go to heaven no problem.

Ahh...... John. Yeah........ well he was ........ yeah.

I mean, if he had even known the true timeline of events it could possibly have helped me to take any notice of his revelation.

But he didn't. That 2nd century writer was no witness, and his gospel and revelation incited more hatred and death over two millennia than any other writing, is my take on things.

Yeah.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
From this period, the area includes a massive fortification system that has recently been excavated. Overall, however, the area comprises only about 11–12 acres. Geva estimates the population of the city during this period at between 500 and 700 “at most.”

(Previously other prominent scholars had estimated Jerusalem’s population in this period as 880–1,100, 1,000, 2,500, 3,000; still this is hardly what we would consider a metropolis.)

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/ancient-jerusalem/

If you are referring to the time of Jesus then you are hopelessly out.

The three great feasts were supported by about half a million Jews, serviced by 2000 priests and controlled by 6000 levite Temple guards.

And that is before the local population of Jerusalem and is suburban townships. We can be fairly sure about that.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well, the word 'Christ' was never mentioned after the execution. The Jewish people didn't even know the word, although the Hellenist Priesthood may have.

I'm not even sure that Jesus died that day, but that's another story altogether.

I'm sorry........ I thought you would have read John.
Let me show you:-

John:...........
Jesus went up to Jerusalem, {2:14} And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: {2:15} And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;

........... quite a demonstration.

LOLOL.. I just never thought of it as a demonstration.
 
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