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Biblical Slavery - How Could A Loving God Condone It?

BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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sooda said:
Neither the Flood or Sodom and Gomorrah are historical. S and G were destroyed long before the time of Lot and Abraham. They are morality tales.. fiction.
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Do you have evidence for this assertion? I have documents, do you have counter documents?
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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SkepticThinker said:
Okay, so you agree with me that you are an amoral agent in all of this. You're doing what you think somebody else tells you is the moral thing to do.

So where can we find Jesus and ask him this stuff? And why do we assume that whatever he says is moral? 'Cause, I don' think dashing babies' heads against rocks is a moral action.

All of this brings up a question in my mind .... If you thought Jesus asked you to kill your own child, would you do it?

And another question ... Lots of people carry out actions because they think it's what God wants from them or told them to do (i.e. it's the moral thing to do). Some of these acts are terrible, and some are wonderful, and everything in between. The question is, how can you tell which ones are commands from Gods and which ones aren't? Obviously I don't think anyone is getting commands from God. Rather, I think people project their own views onto Gods in order to justify their actions. But you do not. You think Jesus "gives guidance." So how do we tell what is the actual "guidance" and what isn't?
If a woman says that God wanted her to drown her 5 children in the bathtub, how can you know if God did actually command such a thing or if she's crazy, or something else?
And what do we make of people from other religions claiming that God(s) wants them to do things?

Do you see my dilemma?


So now we're referring to commands from God to commit genocide, including the mass murder of BABIES, as "capital punishment?" Great euphemism you've come up with there. This is why I think apologetics are gross.
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I can't really discuss any of this with you, based on your foolish, moot query: "If you thought Jesus asked you to kill your own child, would you do it?" which is indicative of your entire line of "reasoning" here.

I cannot get answers from Jesus on certain questions, I can, however, rely on the Bible as a guide to all important and urgent life and faith questions. I would disobey a voice or spirit telling me to kill my own child. It is Bible 101 that God killed HIS OWN CHILD for me and my children to have life... abundantly!

I see no need to further discuss anything regarding spirituality or morality with someone who doesn't know the first thing, and I mean the doctrine of singular importance, in the Bible!
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

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BilliardsBall said:
I can't really discuss any of this with you, based on your foolish, moot query: "If you thought Jesus asked you to kill your own child, would you do it?" which is indicative of your entire line of "reasoning" here.
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Actually I said God, not Jesus. God did do such a thing in the Bible. So don't bother with that.

That you refuse to answer the question, is noted.

BilliardsBall said:
I cannot get answers from Jesus on certain questions, I can, however, rely on the Bible as a guide to all important and urgent life and faith questions. I would disobey a voice or spirit telling me to kill my own child. It is Bible 101 that God killed HIS OWN CHILD for me and my children to have life... abundantly!
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So it sounds like what I said in the part of my post you ignored. You're projecting your own beliefs onto a God.

Why do you think you can't get answers from Jesus on "certain questions?"

So God killed his own child, and asked someone else to kill their own child. But you would think it weird if "a voice or spirit" (is that how you hear Jesus?) told you to kill your child, which would be in line with Biblical teachings?

BilliardsBall said:
I see no need to further discuss anything regarding spirituality or morality with someone who doesn't know the first thing, and I mean the doctrine of singular importance, in the Bible!
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Nice cop out. ;)

You are more moral than your Bible and it's system of obedience/amorality. And it appears that you know it. Though you'll never admit it, apparently.
 
ManSinha

ManSinha

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BilliardsBall said:
Love invites us to tell the truth, lovingly. The sinning you are continuing on this thread includes IMHO unbelief, disdain for believers, disdain for the living God, the Savior and Lord of all.

When I meet a heroin addict, I don't tell him, "Enjoy!" but try to assist him.

Stop sinning and I'll stop assisting you by pointing it out.
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Your accusations of "sin" are nothing but a pathetic fear tactic to try and end debate - well it does not work that way - continue with the accusations and you are the one that might find himself in the proverbial cauldron of hot water

you cannot follow the instructions in your own book

Matthew 7:1-5

Luke 6:37-42

James 4:11-12

Romans 2:1-3

I repeat "There is no devil and no hell - outside of your deluded beliefs" - If you are scared of the bogeyman you may want to consider getting mental health help as it would appear you have the mind of a 3 year old
 
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BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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ManSinha said:
Your accusations of "sin" are nothing but a pathetic fear tactic to try and end debate - well it does not work that way - continue with the accusations and you are the one that might find himself in the proverbial cauldron of hot water

you cannot follow the instructions in your own book

Matthew 7:1-5

Luke 6:37-42

James 4:11-12

Romans 2:1-3

I repeat "There is no devil and no hell - outside of your deluded beliefs" - If you are scared of the bogeyman you may want to consider getting mental health help as it would appear you have the mind of a 3 year old
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The Bible says all people sin. Let's not go beyond what I said to be personally offended. Your rudeness is uncalled for IMHO. Why would you converse with a three-year-old regarding these important matters?
 
ManSinha

ManSinha

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BilliardsBall said:
The Bible says all people sin. Let's not go beyond what I said to be personally offended. Your rudeness is uncalled for IMHO. Why would you converse with a three-year-old regarding these important matters?
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The "bible" is for christians - which you claim to be
You have no answer to my questions
I do not have to follow the bible - you do!

I am not being "rude" - it is you who is whining and threatening a non believer with non existent "sin" in a pathetic attempt to save your argument

This is a debate forum - if you cannot stand the heat - stop posting!!


Follow your book and stop judging else you are complete hypocrite and you are right I am done conversing with a three year old or someone that behaves like one :facepalm:
 
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Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

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BilliardsBall said:
I see no need to further discuss anything regarding spirituality or morality with someone who doesn't know the first thing, and I mean the doctrine of singular importance, in the Bible!
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Unfortunately, you'd have to prove that the Bible is even something we should care about, before we accept your claim about its level of importance. And given that the only evidence for your claim is the bible itself, which I don't assign any sort of worth to, I fail to understand why you think a claim such as the one mentioned would be worth making in a discussion in which you are so obviously outgunned?

A challenge for you. Come up with a single argument, without quoting the bible or making reference to its contents (because that would mean I disregard those points as unimportant too), for the bible and why we should think its important or true. I think that without the bible, the whole "god" thing looks pretty damn shaky too
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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ManSinha said:
The "bible" is for christians - which you claim to be
You have no answer to my questions
I do not have to follow the bible - you do!

I am not being "rude" - it is you who is whining and threatening a non believer with non existent "sin" in a pathetic attempt to save your argument

This is a debate forum - if you cannot stand the heat - stop posting!!


Follow your book and stop judging else you are complete hypocrite and you are right I am done conversing with a three year old or someone that behaves like one :facepalm:
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I can certainly answer, but felt obliged to point out your ad hom attacks and double standards, including judging me as an immature child (incorrectly):

* Every time I hear Matthew 7:1 lately, I think of John 7:24

* God loves when Christians judge, after all, there is a Bible book called “Judges”

* Bible “judgment” includes discernment, like judging a light is red and not green, and stopping one’s car

* The clear, key takeaway from Matthew 7: Judge yourself before judging others (I’ve judged myself a sinner, am therefore saved, and can now judge righteously)

Thank you.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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Dan Mellis said:
Unfortunately, you'd have to prove that the Bible is even something we should care about, before we accept your claim about its level of importance. And given that the only evidence for your claim is the bible itself, which I don't assign any sort of worth to, I fail to understand why you think a claim such as the one mentioned would be worth making in a discussion in which you are so obviously outgunned?

A challenge for you. Come up with a single argument, without quoting the bible or making reference to its contents (because that would mean I disregard those points as unimportant too), for the bible and why we should think its important or true. I think that without the bible, the whole "god" thing looks pretty damn shaky too
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Argument: There are literally thousands of archaeology finds that show the veracity of the Bible. These finds, since archaeology is a modern science, show that the Bible writers were contemporaneous to the events written (early writing dates) and were honest in their highly detailed reporting of people, places and things.
 
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