Riders
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Heres the book on Aknaten was Moses the same as the Egyptian prince Akhnatin, do we have any real proof of who Moses was?Moses and Akhenaten one and the same person - Graham Hancock Official Website
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Who was Moses, Akhnaten?
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This like other scenarios of 'Who was Moses?' is a hypothetical effort to make things fit history and archaeology.
I believe Moses (by what name?) existed in rebellion against Egypt, restored Monotheism, and lead some Jews out of Egypt. He was likely a member of the Royal family in one way or another. He is to somewhat lost in history, and the versions represent possible composites of 'Who was Moses?'
Riders
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The whole story of Moses or the Akhnaten part?
Baladas
An Págánach
Both, but I was referring to the claim that Akhenaten was Moses.
Riders
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Does anyone know if there's proof of Akhnaten didn't they find his mummy or his temple they found some stuff with his name right?In reality he either believed in the Son God or the Moon God cant remember, but it was monotheism only the one God.
Baladas
An Págánach
Akhenaten is a fascinating historical figure.
Yes, his mummy was found (although some dispute whether it is him).
He was considered a heretic for elevating the Aten (an aspect of the sun god, Ra) to the supreme deity and declaring all other gods false. After his death, his own son (King Tutankhamen AKA King Tut) restored the status of the other gods and the priesthood tried to strike him from history.
Is the following true--
Numbers 31
14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
15 Moses said to them, “Have you allowed all the women to live?
16 Look, these people through the counsel of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the Lord in the matter of Peor – which resulted in the plague among the community of the Lord!
17 Now therefore kill every boy, and kill every woman who has been intimate with a man in bed.
18 But allthe young women who have not experienced a man’s bed will be yours.
MOSES LEADS PASSOVER
Exo 12:21 KJV) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
(Exo 12:26 KJV) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
(Exo 12:27 KJV) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.
(Exo 12:28 KJV) And the children of Israel went away, and did as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
(Exo 12:29) And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that {was} in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
(Exo 12:30 KJV) And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.
From what I have read above, it appears that Moses was a Murderer several times over
Numbers 31
14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
15 Moses said to them, “Have you allowed all the women to live?
16 Look, these people through the counsel of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the Lord in the matter of Peor – which resulted in the plague among the community of the Lord!
17 Now therefore kill every boy, and kill every woman who has been intimate with a man in bed.
18 But allthe young women who have not experienced a man’s bed will be yours.
MOSES LEADS PASSOVER
Exo 12:21 KJV) Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.
(Exo 12:26 KJV) And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
(Exo 12:27 KJV) That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.
(Exo 12:28 KJV) And the children of Israel went away, and did as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
(Exo 12:29) And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that {was} in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
(Exo 12:30 KJV) And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.
From what I have read above, it appears that Moses was a Murderer several times over
sooda
Veteran Member
excerpt:
Seizing on the striking similarities between the religious vision of Akhenaten and the teachings of Moses, Sigmund Freud was the first to argue that Moses was in fact an Egyptian. Now Ahmed Osman, using recent archaeological discoveries and historical documents, contends that Akhenaten and Moses were one and the same person.
In a stunning retelling of the Exodus story, Osman details the events of Moses/Akhenaten’s life: how he was brought up by Israelite relatives, ruled Egypt for seventeen years, angered many of his subjects by replacing the traditional Egyptian pantheon with worship of Aten, and was forced to abdicate the throne. Retreating to exile in Sinai with his Egyptian and Israelite supporters, he died out of the sight of his followers, presumably at the hands of Seti I, after an unsuccessful attempt to regain his throne.
I think if there was a Moses, he probably was Egyptian... The story seems to combine some elements of the fictional story of Sinuhe which pre-dates the Exodus tale.
Story of Sinuhe - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Sinuhe
Overview
The Story of Sinuhe (also known as Sanehat) is considered one of the finest works of ancient Egyptian literature. It is a narrative set in the aftermath of the death of Pharaoh Amenemhat I, founder of the 12th dynasty of Egypt, in the early 20th century BC.
It was composed around 1875 BC, although the earliest extant manuscript is from the reign of Amenemhat III, c. 1800 BC. There is an ongoing debate among Egyptologists as to whether or not the tale is based on actual events involving an individual named Sinuhe (Egyptian: z3-nht "son of the sycamore"), with the consensus being that it is most likely a work of fiction…
Baladas
An Págánach
Wow! I didn't know about this story. Thanks for sharing!
Also, I noticed that the article mentions parallels with the biblical story of Joseph (along with a couple of others), which I also find very interesting.
sooda
Veteran Member
Wow! I didn't know about this story. Thanks for sharing!
Also, I noticed that the article mentions parallels with the biblical story of Joseph (along with a couple of others), which I also find very interesting.
Excerpt:
One scholar has made an extended comparison of the Joseph story to a nonbiblical narrative. A. Meinhold has suggested that the Egyptian story of Sinuhe was the prototype of the Joseph story, and certainly the sequences of events in both stories show a striking similarity: from an initially privileged position, the protagonist is displaced from his power base and forced to live with strangers; while in this new society he prospers; finally he is reconciled with his original community for the common good.
This exile-reconciliation theme is certainly popular throughout world literature, and it enjoyed a special place in the literature of the ancient Near East.
Along with the stories of Joseph and Sinuhe, the story of Idrimi, the Apology of Hattusilis, Esarhaddon’s Fight for the Throne, Nabonidus and His God, and the biblical legends of Jacob, Moses, and David all can be counted as narratives that contain this general pattern of exile and reconciliation.
The Story of Sinuhe confirms Gen 36:15-18 in 1900 BC
It doesn't make sense I think for Moses to be akhenaten, because that would be an affirmation of Egypt. Everything about the story of Exodus is a repudiation of Egyptian pride, myths and legends. Consider the plagues. Each plague relates to and runs opposite to Egyptian beliefs while incorporating elements of Egyptian life. Whereas the Nile naturally turns red every flood season, the plague has it turning to blood. Whereas then it turns green, the plague has it producing frogs. Egyptians worship the Sun as Ra (as does Ahkenaten), but one of the plagues is a plague of darkness implying that the gods of Egypt are powerless.
sooda
Veteran Member
It makes no sense to me either. I find the entire story to be like a fairy tale. Sinai today has a total population of about 800,000 yet 2 million Israelites and their herds lived there 40 years without pasture of water.
And, by the time they get to Cannan and buy Jerusalem from the Jebusites, Jerusalem has a population of less than a thousand people on a 10 acre city.
And quite a bit of archaeological evidence that the Exodus didn't happen.
sooda
Veteran Member
To be fair every civilization has a foundational myth... from the Aztecs to the Greeks .. Rome was founded by two brothers who were suckled by a she-wolf.