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History of the Jews in Egypt

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The Anointed

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Still waiting for an answer the question put to you, which was; "And how long do your chosen scholars, from whose erroneous work you are continually copying and pasting, believe that the Israelites are said to have been in Egypt?"

Why do you avoid answering that question?
 
sooda

sooda

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The Anointed said:
Still waiting for an answer the question put to you, which was; "And how long do your chosen scholars, from whose erroneous work you are continually copying and pasting, believe that the Israelites are said to have been in Egypt?"

Why do you avoid answering that question?
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They are ALL Jewish scholars and Jewish archaeologist attached to universities in Israel.. Have you been living under a rock for 80 years?
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
I find it very annoying when Christians try to reinvent the Servant Song or Hosea 11:1

It just seems like the wrong thing too do.. Does Jesus really need such dishonesty?
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what is the "servant song"? I've never heard anyone sing Hosea 11:1. it would be awfully short given that Christians are allergic to half of the verse.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
They are ALL Jewish scholars and Jewish archaeologist attached to universities in Israel.. Have you been living under a rock for 80 years?
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You didn't quote anything, so no one knows what you are replying to. can you give a post #?
 
sooda

sooda

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IndigoChild5559 said:
what is the "servant song"? I've never heard anyone sing Hosea 11:1. it would be awfully short given that Christians are allergic to half of the verse.
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The Servant songs are four songs in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible, which include Isaiah 42:1-4; Isaiah 49:1-6; Isaiah 50:4-7; and Isaiah 52:13-53:12. They were first identified by Bernhard Duhm in his 1892 commentary on Isaiah.

The songs are four poems written about a certain "servant of YHWH."

God calls the servant to lead the nations, but the servant is horribly abused among them. In the end, he is rewarded.

Some scholars regard Isaiah 61:1-3 as a fifth servant song.

The suffering servant is Israel.. and Christians now claim its Jesus.
 
sooda

sooda

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IndigoChild5559 said:
You didn't quote anything, so no one knows what you are replying to. can you give a post #?
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Yeah I did. See here:

The Anointed said: ↑
Still waiting for an answer the question put to you, which was; "And how long do your chosen scholars, from whose erroneous work you are continually copying and pasting, believe that the Israelites are said to have been in Egypt?"

Why do you avoid answering that question?
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They are ALL Jewish scholars and Jewish archaeologist attached to universities in Israel.. Have you been living under a rock for 80 years?
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
The Servant songs are four songs in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible, which include Isaiah 42:1-4; Isaiah 49:1-6; Isaiah 50:4-7; and Isaiah 52:13-53:12. They were first identified by Bernhard Duhm in his 1892 commentary on Isaiah.

The songs are four poems written about a certain "servant of YHWH."

God calls the servant to lead the nations, but the servant is horribly abused among them. In the end, he is rewarded.

Some scholars regard Isaiah 61:1-3 as a fifth servant song.

The suffering servant is Israel.. and Christians now claim its Jesus.
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Yes, the debate over who the suffering servant is, is probably the second biggest point of contention between judaism and Christianity, after the whole idea of God becoming a man.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
Yes, the debate over who the suffering servant is, is probably the second biggest point of contention between judaism and Christianity, after the whole idea of God becoming a man.
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How can anyone debate it? Isaiah repeats that Israel is the servant over and over again.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
IMO its insulting .. as if Jesus isn't enough so we have to steal scripture.
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I've met many Christians that I respect, even as I respectfully disagree with them. They are good people. They are not stupid. They are devoted to God and to loving others. But of course I have issues with the Christian faith. As I've said many times in here, I'm not here to convert any Christian away from Jesus.

But since you've brought it up yourself...

The one thing that bothers me the most is:
The way the New Testament either directly misquotes the Tanakh, quotes verses that don't exist, or hauls parts of verses completely out of context.

And the second is like unto it (pun intended):
The way Christians imagine messianic prophecies everywhere in the Tanakh when they are not there. It's like seeing castles in the clouds. You just can't stop them. They have Jesus imprinted on the glasses they look through. It's like Catholics seeing the Virgin on burnt toast.

Okay, I got it off my chest. I should go listen Tovia Singer for a while and get rid of this headache. I have walking pneumonia and I'm miserable. I'm still awake because I can't sleep since I can't breath. Thanks for keeping my mind off my achy head and scratchy throat.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
I've met many Christians that I respect, even as I respectfully disagree with them. They are good people. They are not stupid. They are devoted to God and to loving others. But of course I have issues with the Christian faith. As I've said many times in here, I'm not here to convert any Christian away from Jesus.

But since you've brought it up yourself...

The one thing that bothers me the most is:
The way the New Testament either directly misquotes the Tanakh, quotes verses that don't exist, or hauls parts of verses completely out of context.

And the second is like unto it (pun intended):
The way Christians imagine messianic prophecies everywhere in the Tanakh when they are not there. It's like seeing castles in the clouds. You just can't stop them. They have Jesus imprinted on the glasses they look through. It's like Catholics seeing the Virgin on burnt toast.

Okay, I got it off my chest. I should go listen Tovia Singer for a while and get rid of this headache. I have walking pneumonia and I'm miserable. I'm still awake because I can't sleep since I can't breath. Thanks for keeping my mind off my achy head and scratchy throat.
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I agree with you.. They claim EVERY OT prophet is referring to Jesus and/or some futuristic event thousands of years in the future.

Its Hal Lindsey, Dominionists and Dispensationalsts… and the rest of the money grubbers.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
I agree with you.. They claim EVERY OT prophet is referring to Jesus and/or some futuristic event thousands of years in the future.

Its Hal Lindsey, Dominionists and Dispensationalsts… and the rest of the money grubbers.
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And you have none of these in the Episcopal Church? Or do you just suffer them? LOL
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
sooda said:
Not much of that in the Episcopal Church.. at least I haven't run across it.
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The Episcopal Church where I grew up was "low church" and had as many evangelicals as actual Anglicans. I was fortunate to live in an area with a moderate number of Jews, but of course it was Christian-ville.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559 said:
The Episcopal Church where I grew up was "low church" and had as many evangelicals as actual Anglicans. I was fortunate to live in an area with a moderate number of Jews, but of course it was Christian-ville.
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I went to high churches in Charleston.. which has an old Sephardic community that has been there for 300 years.
 
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