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History of the Jews in Egypt

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
If the Jews had been living in Egypt for centuries as slaves,
surely they would have noticed the pyramids and the Sphinx?
Strangely, neither of these great architectural wonders of the world
are mentioned even once in the Old Testament.


The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt – Religious Criticism
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The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt. It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula. If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah),...

So your chosen scholars could find no archaeological evidence of the descendants of Shem, the Shepherd Kings, living in Egypt.

Why have you failed to answer the question put to you, which was; "And how long do your chosen scholars, from whose erroneous work you are continually copying and pasting, believe that the Israelites are said to have been in Egypt?"

Too difficult a question for you, was it?

And can you explain how the shepherd kings, who Josephus the historian refers to as the Israelites, who left Egypt in 1567 B.C., crossed from Egypt to the city of Jericho, which they destroyed after wandering in the desert for 40 years before then entering the promised land, that had been allocated to Shem and his descendants by Noah, and which had been illegally occupied by Canaan the cursed descendant of Noah.?
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sooda

Veteran Member
So your chosen scholars could find no archaeological evidence of the descendants of Shem, the Shepherd Kings, living in Egypt.

Why have you failed to answer the question put to you, which was; "And how long do your chosen scholars, from whose erroneous work you are continually copying and pasting, believe that the Israelites are said to have been in Egypt?"

Too difficult a question for you, was it?

And can you explain how the shepherd kings, who Josephus the historian refers to as the Israelites, who left Egypt in 1567 B.C., crossed from Egypt to the city of Jericho, which they destroyed after wandering in the desert for 40 years before then entering the promised land, that had been allocated to Shem and his descendants by Noah, and which had been illegally occupied by Canaan the cursed descendant of Noah.?
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The Israelites were not the Hyksos. Jericho was destroyed by earthquakes many times. Joshua a fiction just like Moses is fiction. Noah was a petty king in Sumer.. Ziusudra of Shuruppak.. the flood lasted 4 days and flooded the Euphrates river basin. Do you believe in Pecos Bill or Paul Bunyan and the Blue Ox or Johnny Appleseed?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The Israelites were not the Hyksos. Jericho was destroyed by earthquakes many times. Joshua a fiction just like Moses is fiction. Noah was a petty king in Sumer.. Ziusudra of Shuruppak.. the flood lasted 4 days and flooded the Euphrates river basin. Do you believe in Pecos Bill or Paul Bunyan and the Blue Ox or Johnny Appleseed?

Nope! Only an idiot would believe in Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and the Blue Ox, Johnny Appleseed, or anything that you have to say.

From ‘The World Book Dictionary,’ (Hyksos) “A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt—from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings.” --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, ‘Hyksos’, invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of “King Tutimaios” entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that they departed Egypt in 1567 B.C.

Genesis 41: After Joseph had revealed to the king that his dreams were a prophecy telling of a seven year period of plenty, which would be followed by a seven year period of severe drought, Joseph is made Governor of all Egypt, and all Egyptians were commanded by the King to obey him. The King removed his royal ring with its engraved seal and put it on the finger of Joseph. He was given the second royal chariot and a guard of honour who went ahead of him crying out, “Make way, make way.” And the King said: I am King, but no one in all of Egypt shall so much as lift a hand or a foot without Joseph’s permission. He gave Joseph an Egyptian wife, Asenath, the daughter of the High priest of Heliopolis, who prophesied that if ever the bones of Joseph left Egypt, the LIGHT of Egypt would go with him. For that reason, a permanent guard was set up to keep watch over the tomb of Joseph, in order that no one could remove the mummified body of Joseph.

During the seven years of plenty, Joseph gathered a percentage of the Egyptian grain crop as a tax, which was stored in silos throughout Egypt. In the early stages of the great seven-year drought, the Egyptians had to buy their grain from Joseph, when their money had all gone they traded their possessions and livestock, after which, they were forced to sign their land over for grain in order to survive.

Genesis 47: 20-21. Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for the king. Every Egyptian was forced to sell their land, because the famine was so severe; Joseph made slaves of all the people from one end of Egypt to the other, without striking a blow.

If Josephus the historian is correct and the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed after they had wandered in the desert for 40 years, then according to the biblical account, the destruction of Jericho would have occurred around 1527 BC. 1567-40=1527.

Indeed Jericho has been destroyed many times by earthquakes, but the final destruction, and top layer of the ruins of Jericho, have been proven by Kathleen Kenyon to have occurred some forty years after Josephus's date of the exodus of the Shepherd Kings from Egypt in 1567 B.C.

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests, which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

The radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, confirm that the biblical date of 1527 BC for the destruction, agrees with Kathleen Kenyon’s findings.

1562 (minus 38 years) [1562-38=1524 BC.] this would mean that Jericho fell somewhere between 1562 and 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus’ date for the Exodus in 1567. [1567-40=1527 BC]
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Nope! Only an idiot would believe in Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and the Blue Ox, Johnny Appleseed, or anything that you have to say.

From ‘The World Book Dictionary,’ (Hyksos) “A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt—from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings.” --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, ‘Hyksos’, invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of “King Tutimaios” entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that they departed Egypt in 1567 B.C.

Genesis 41: After Joseph had revealed to the king that his dreams were a prophecy telling of a seven year period of plenty, which would be followed by a seven year period of severe drought, Joseph is made Governor of all Egypt, and all Egyptians were commanded by the King to obey him. The King removed his royal ring with its engraved seal and put it on the finger of Joseph. He was given the second royal chariot and a guard of honour who went ahead of him crying out, “Make way, make way.” And the King said: I am King, but no one in all of Egypt shall so much as lift a hand or a foot without Joseph’s permission. He gave Joseph an Egyptian wife, Asenath, the daughter of the High priest of Heliopolis, who prophesied that if ever the bones of Joseph left Egypt, the LIGHT of Egypt would go with him. For that reason, a permanent guard was set up to keep watch over the tomb of Joseph, in order that no one could remove the mummified body of Joseph.

During the seven years of plenty, Joseph gathered a percentage of the Egyptian grain crop as a tax, which was stored in silos throughout Egypt. In the early stages of the great seven-year drought, the Egyptians had to buy their grain from Joseph, when their money had all gone they traded their possessions and livestock, after which, they were forced to sign their land over for grain in order to survive.

Genesis 47: 20-21. Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for the king. Every Egyptian was forced to sell their land, because the famine was so severe; Joseph made slaves of all the people from one end of Egypt to the other, without striking a blow.

If Josephus the historian is correct and the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed after they had wandered in the desert for 40 years, then according to the biblical account, the destruction of Jericho would have occurred around 1527 BC. 1567-40=1527.

Indeed Jericho has been destroyed many times by earthquakes, but the final destruction, and top layer of the ruins of Jericho, have been proven by Kathleen Kenyon to have occurred some forty years after Josephus's date of the exodus of the Shepherd Kings from Egypt in 1567 B.C.

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests, which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

The radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, confirm that the biblical date of 1527 BC for the destruction, agrees with Kathleen Kenyon’s findings.

1562 (minus 38 years) [1562-38=1524 BC.] this would mean that Jericho fell somewhere between 1562 and 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus’ date for the Exodus in 1567. [1567-40=1527 BC]

  • Natufian or Epipaleolihic (10,800–8,500 B.C.E.) Sedentary hunter-gatherers living in large semi-subterranean oval stone structures

  • Pre-Pottery Neolithic A (PPNA) (8,500–7300 B.C.E.) Oval semi-subterranean dwellings in a village, engaging in long-distance trade and growing domesticated crops, construction of the first tower (4 m tall), and a defensive perimeter wall

  • Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) (7,300–6,000 B.C.E.) Rectangular houses with red- and white-painted floors, with caches of plastered human skulls

  • Early Neolithic (6,000–5,000 B.C.E.) Jericho was mostly abandoned at this time
  • Middle/Late Neolithic (5,000–3,100 B.C.E.) Very minimal occupation

  • Early / Middle Bronze Age (3,100–1,800 B.C.E.) Extensive defensive walls constructed, rectangular towers 15-20 m long and 6-8 m tall and extensive cemeteries, Jericho destroyed circa 3300 cal BP

  • Late Bronze Age (1,800–1,400 B.C.E.) Limited settlement
  • After the Late Bronze Age, Jericho was no longer much of a center, but continued to be occupied on a small scale, and ruled by Babylonians, Persian Empire, the Roman Empire, Byzantine and Ottoman Empire up until the present day

Tell es-Sultan covers an area of about 2.5 hectares (6 acres). The settlement that the tell represents is one of oldest more or less continuously occupied locations on our planet and it is currently over 200 m (650 ft) below modern sea level.


Jericho Chronology
The most widely known occupation at Jericho is, of course, the Judeo-Christian Late Bronze Age one–Jericho is mentioned in both old and new Testaments of the Bible. However, the oldest occupations at Jericho are in fact much earlier than that, dating to the Natufian period (ca. 12,000–11,300 years before the present), and it has a substantial Pre-Pottery Neolithic (8,300–7,300 B.C.E.) occupation as well.


What Archaeologists Have Learned About the City of Jericho

Josephus provides the earliest recorded instance of the much repeated false etymology of the term Hyksos, as a Hellenised form of the Egyptian phrase Hekw Shasu, meaning "Shepherd Kings". Scholars have only recently shown that the term derives from heqa-khase, a phrase meaning "rulers of foreign lands".

Moses and Exodus are foundational myths.. Neither is true.
 
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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Israelis know Exodus is a founding myth and have said so publicly.
The Israelis???? You can be Muslim and be Israeli. I think you meant to say, the Jews, who may live in Israel, or the US, or virtually anywhere else in the world.

I find it odd that you accept Abraham, but not the Exodus if you are Christian. Just what kind of Christian are you??? What is your denomination? Are you a branch of Oriental Orthodoxy? Or...???

I'm just looking for evidence to back up your claim that you are a Christian.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Israelis???? You can be Muslim and be Israeli. I think you meant to say, the Jews, who may live in Israel, or the US, or virtually anywhere else in the world.

I find it odd that you accept Abraham, but not the Exodus if you are Christian. Just what kind of Christian are you??? What is your denomination? Are you a branch of Oriental Orthodoxy? Or...???

I'm just looking for evidence to back up your claim that you are a Christian.

Abraham like Moses is a literary device.

Jewish scholars and archaeologists in Israel have said categorically that there was NO Exodus. It is a foundational myth.

I'm Episcopalian ..

The Exodus - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
Scholars
are broadly agreed that the Exodus story was composed in the 5th century BCE. The traditions behind it can be traced in the writings of the 8th-century BCE prophets, but it has no historical basis. Instead, archaeology suggests a native Canaanite origin for ancient Israel.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Did the Exodus happen? | Jewish Journal
https://jewishjournal.com/opinion/128410
In his words, writing three years later: “Three years ago on Passover, I explained to my congregation that according to archeologists, there was no reliable evidence that the Exodus took place ...
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Abraham like Moses is a literary device.

Jewish scholars and archaeologists in Israel have said categorically that there was NO Exodus. It is a foundational myth.

I'm Episcopalian ..
Well, you were giving Abraham a DATE in another post. How can Abraham exist at a particular date, or go into Egypt at a particular date, if he is nothing but a literary device?

See that is what was suspicious. Had I know you disbelieved in BOTH Abraham AND the Exodus, I could think of many Chrisitan denominations that are sympathetic to that. And yes, Episcopalians are particularly liberal in terms of scholarship, so things make much mre sense now.

Just explain your earlier post, and I'll be fine.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well, you were giving Abraham a DATE in another post. How can Abraham exist at a particular date, or go into Egypt at a particular date, if he is nothing but a literary device?

See that is what was suspicious. Had I know you disbelieved in BOTH Abraham AND the Exodus, I could think of many Chrisitan denominations that are sympathetic to that. And yes, Episcopalians are particularly liberal in terms of scholarship, so things make much mre sense now.

Just explain your earlier post, and I'll be fine.

Trying to date the story accurately just means dating the story, that doesn't mean the story is history.. Its a foundational myth,, It also has an important message about deliverance and redemption. As such it is important to the Jewish tradition.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Trying to date the story accurately just means dating the story, that doesn't mean the story is history.. Its a foundational myth,, It also has an important message about deliverance and redemption. As such it is important to the Jewish tradition.
Okay, got it.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Actually, it is important to the Christian tradition as well. The message is important.
To me, I am not so concerned with the historicity (I'm agnostic on the subject) as I am with what these stories tell me about my identity as a Jew and who the Jewish people are. So I do understand where you are coming from.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
To me, I am not so concerned with the historicity (I'm agnostic on the subject) as I am with what these stories tell me about my identity as a Jew and who the Jewish people are. So I do understand where you are coming from.

Good.. I am pleased you understand my position. There is a recurring theme in the stories of disobedience, mercy, forgiveness and redemption.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Good.. I am pleased you understand my position. There is a recurring theme in the stories of disobedience, mercy, forgiveness and redemption.
And every single one of those stories ends with all the Jews returning to the Land, being blessed again, literal peace on earth.... IOW we're still waiting for these prophecies to be fulfilled.

Some say that they are being fulfilled slowly, such as the fact that half the worlds jewish population is now in the land and growing is a sign of ongoing fulfillment. just an idea.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
And every single one of those stories ends with all the Jews returning to the Land, being blessed again, literal peace on earth.... IOW we're still waiting for these prophecies to be fulfilled.

Well, what irks me is that Christian Zionists want that too believing Jews will convert or die before Jesus can return.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well, what irks me is that Christian Zionists want that too believing Jews will convert or die before Jesus can return.
They are meshuggenahs, but they genuinely love Israel and the Jewish people, and we appreciate their support.

Remember, the deed is still good regardless of why you do it. The hungry person appreciates the bread, even if you give it for selfish reasons, or because you are too crazy to eat it yourself LOL>
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Then you are more generous than I am.
I am VERY easy going. It takes a great deal to irritate me. I get feisty in debates, but that's all part of the game. None of it is personal. But if something DOES irritate me, violates my values, grrrrr I turn into a tiger.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I am VERY easy going. It takes a great deal to irritate me. I get feisty in debates, but that's all part of the game. None of it is personal. But if something DOES irritate me, violates my values, grrrrr I turn into a tiger.

I find it very annoying when Christians try to reinvent the Servant Song or Hosea 11:1

It just seems like the wrong thing too do.. Does Jesus really need such dishonesty?
 
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