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I believe Jerusalem stands for Israel so where is the problem?
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Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast
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I believe Jerusalem stands for Israel so where is the problem?
sooda
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The Beast wasn't Barak Obama it was the Caesars of the first century. Education, education, education.. You have to actually READ your Bible.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Pretty ineffectual anti-Christ.
Oeste
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The number of the beast was 666, a Revelation that came to John through the Spirit and certainly not after consulting with numerologists.
Well, the oldest version of the number of the beast is 616, and not 666. It makes little difference, for only "him with understanding" (Revelation 13:18) can calculate the number of the beast. Per Daniel 12:10, that would preclude the "many", those who follow the path of the lawless/wicked (Matthew 7:13).
Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast, is dead. Barrack Hussein Obama would be one of the horns of the 8th head of the beast, who was, and is not, during the reign of the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11). Reading the bible is apparently not a reliable way of understanding what the bible says (Matthew 13:13). As for the educated, those who think they are wise and intelligent, they are the ones left out in the dark (Matthew 11:25).
Oeste
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This was addressed previously in post 101. Read "Against the Heresies" of which "616" was one. It was written by Polycarp a disciple of John the Apostle.
Well, the supposed writings of "Polycarp" would represent the "falsehoods" of "our fathers", something, that if you are among the survivors of the nations, you will confess that you have "inherited" those "falsehoods" (Jeremiah 16-19). As per the "wicked"/sinners having any understanding to calculating the number of the beast, that is negated by Daniel 12:10. As for the beast with two horns like a lamb, he is dead, and was the 7th head of the beast, and he instituted your mother church, the Roman Catholic church, and deceived "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). And by the way, his authority was derived from the 5th head of the beast, Julius Caesar, whose authority was derived from the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4). And by the way, the two horns like a lamb, being Christlike leaders, were Peter and Paul, the foundation stones of your "Universal Christian" church.
sooda
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Barak Obama has NOTHING to do with it.. That's more Scofield nonsense.
In context:
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
What Do the 1,290 and 1,335 Days Represent (Daniel 12:11-12)?
Exactly 42 months before the destruction of the Temple.
Oeste
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Your're confusing Obama with Trump again. Even now Trump's laying the groundwork to confirm a covenant with Israel. (Daniel 9:27)
Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital; moves US embassy.
Trump reverses US policy on Golan Heights
I don't see Obama working to do all that so it appears Trump's your guy.
Your spouting more heresies, which is exactly why Polycarp wrote "Against the Heresies" to begin with.
Besides, you still haven't told us which books, if any, you decided to add to the New Testament after ripping out Paul and Peter.
sooda
Veteran Member
Daniel 9:27 is talking about the Maccabean Revolt and Antiochus IV Epiphanes.. That's the abomination of desolation he was talking about in 165 -168 bc.
Oeste
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
Originally yes. But now we're playing "To tell the truth - Will the real anti-Christ please stand up"? It's a fascinating game.
Apparently reading 2ndPIllar's posts is more reliable than reading the bible itself.
Oeste
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I understand the Preterist viewpoint(s) in terms of Covenant eschatology, but as a political device masquerading as a religious debate (which is what we have here) it just means we'er playing a new game of pin. It doesn't matter if Nero or someone else got pinned earlier.
A lot of these "pin the tail" folk simply don't understand "What's good for the goose is good for the gander". When they take the blindfold off they're surprised to see they didn't quite nail the one they thought.
I'm Pre-trib (yes...familiar with Darby) but still enjoying your posts.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
LOL.
Farakhan is just your run of the mill bigot and anti-Semite. He's a nobody with a great big mouth.
As for the Pre-Tribbers, except for them calling evil good and good evi (Isaiah 5:2), they are on to something. For the "first" to be "gathered up" are the "tares". The Pre-tribs will apparently be the first to "gathered up" (Matthew 13:30)
Polycarp's "Christian" church tortured and burned heretics. And why would one need to "add" to the "New Testament". Just gather out the seed of the tares, and you are left with the "good seed", the "word of the kingdom". (Matthew 13) .
sooda
Veteran Member
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Which means you think Christians will be "raptured" before the tribulation. Where does it say that in the Bible? Is this another tribulation?
I understand the Preterist viewpoint(s) in terms of Covenant eschatology, but as a political device masquerading as a religious debate (which is what we have here) it just means we'er playing a new game of pin. It doesn't matter if Nero or someone else got pinned earlier.
A lot of these "pin the tail" folk simply don't understand "What's good for the goose is good for the gander". When they take the blindfold off they're surprised to see they didn't quite nail the one they thought.
I'm Pre-trib (yes...familiar with Darby) but still enjoying your posts.
Which means you think Christians will be "raptured" before the tribulation. Where does it say that in the Bible? Is this another tribulation?
sooda
Veteran Member
Isaiah 5:2...
Isaiah, revealing the significance of this metaphor, explains that the house of Israel and the people of Judah are themselves the vineyard. Instead of yielding up good grapes (righteousness and justice), they yielded up wild grapes (wickedness and injustice). That's pretty sour.
Judah and the house of Israel were placed under judgment for their errant ways, and the same will apply to those who think they are grafted in, and "drag iniquity with the cords of falsehood" (Isaiah 5:18). The "vineyard", would be the "house of Israel", the "men of Judah" would be the "delightful plant" (Isaiah 5:7).
sooda
Veteran Member
There is an absence of a history of futurism in the church over a period of sixteen hundred years... how do you square it with the Gospel?
Futurism is bad theology and leads to even more bad theology like claiming Obama is the beast or the Pope is the anti-Christ or Russia is Gog and Magog.
Are you willing to hand off Christianity to the likes of Darby, Scofield, Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey?
Futurism is bad theology and leads to even more bad theology like claiming Obama is the beast or the Pope is the anti-Christ or Russia is Gog and Magog.
Are you willing to hand off Christianity to the likes of Darby, Scofield, Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey?