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Science is a false God

Shantanu

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Sounds like you been taken for a long ride, and
are unwilling to just get off.
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So long as my life continues I will always wish to have darshan of God: after my family members He is the love of my life. That means nothing gets done which is not divinely blessed in the Existentialism that I practice.
 
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
Remté said:
Many who say there is no God because science can't prove it actually worship science.
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No, no one worships science.

Remté said:
"Let us notice this morning how modern man has made a god of science. It was quite easy for modern man to put his ultimate faith in science because science had brought about such remarkable advances, such tangible and amazing victories. He realized that man through his scientific genius had dwarfed distances and placed time in chains. He noticed the new comforts that had been brought about by science, from the vast improvements in communication to the elimination of many dread plagues and diseases. And so after noticing these astounding successes modern man ushered in a new god and a new religion. Individual scientist became the high priests, chemical and biological instrumants became sacramental agencies through which the invisible grace of the scientific god became visibly manifested, and scientific laboratories became the sanctuaries. And so modern man dutifully worshipped at the shrine of the god of science.
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No, religion and science are as separate as ever. In OT and NT days we had plenty of science. How do you think we made clothing, built buildings, discovered metals, herbs, growing crops, using tools, extracting metals, building armor, metal weapons, medicinal herbs and plants, architecture, map making, predicting seasons and weather, building ships....this was ALL FROM SCIENCE! It was around back then and accounted for the daily lives of everyone in those days as well.

Now days there is just newer science. But because proofs of gods are not forthcoming religious people want to find some way to villify science. Because science is moving forward while religion is falling behind as believers are becoming less and science is answering for phenomenon we once ascribed to religious deities.
So religion is getting a bit moody and wants to lash out.
But science is just doing it's thing, same as it was back when these religions were being written. There is no "worship" of science any more than back 2000 years ago? It isn't a new religion, it's the same thing it always was, doing it's thing, moving forward slowly.
All these weird ideas are some sort of red herring anti-science tantrum because religion can't progress like science can.

Remté said:
But today we are confronted with the tragic fact that the god of science which we so devoutly worshipped has brought about the possibility of universal annihilation, and so man today stands on the brink of atomic destruction aghast, panic-stricken and petrified. He realizes now that his greatest need is not science which is power, but wisdom which is control. Doubtless some one has been saying, but is it not right to devote ourselves to scientific adventure? Is not science important for the progress of civilization? To this I would answer yes. No person of sound intelligence could minimize science. It is not science in itself that I am condemning, {but it is the tendency of projecting it to the status of God that I am condemning.} We must come to see that science only furnishes us with the means by which we live, but never with the spiritual ends for which we live. And so we must turn back and give our ultimate devotion to the God who integrates the whole of life, to the God in whom we live and move and have our being, to the God who has been our help in ages past, our hope for years to come, our shelter from the stormy blast, and our eternal home.6 Preached July 5, 1953"
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Remté said:
False Gods We Worship | The Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute
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Again, no one worships science. Atomic destruction is a possibility however it likely prevented WW3. And who's to say it won't be used to stop an asteroid, power spaceships to terraform other planets or provide unlimited energy when we run out of fossil fuel? Thereby saving humanity.
The church certainly didn't mind using weapons created by science to militantly enforce Christianity and take new lands from non-Christian societies did they?


"tendency of projecting it to the status of God" - the only time this happened is in this hypothetical scenario in that actual speech. Never any other time?
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Maximilian said:
Incorrect. What is someone who believes God does not nor cannot exist called?
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A stupid atheist.

All intelligent people know better than to make assertions of what cannot possibly exist.

Which, by the way, doesn't improve the odds for the existence of gods by very much at all, so the more intelligent atheists are still pretty safe.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Maximilian said:
And do you have any concrete evidence Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist?
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Such a question simply does not make sense. Do you have any concrete evidence that there is not a Ming teapot orbiting Saturn? Of course not! Do you think, therefore, that there might be? Well, if you were a thinking person, you'd start by thinking about where and when Ming teapots were made, and by what mechanism they might have found their way to Saturn's orbit, and likely conclude that there probably is no such thing.

A much better question, and one that I always like to ask, is whether you have any concrete evidence that Jehovah God does exist. And such evidence, by the way, can't be confused with anything else.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Remté said:
Many who say there is no God because science can't prove it actually worship science.

"Let us notice this morning how modern man has made a god of science. It was quite easy for modern man to put his ultimate faith in science because science had brought about such remarkable advances, such tangible and amazing victories. He realized that man through his scientific genius had dwarfed distances and placed time in chains. He noticed the new comforts that had been brought about by science, from the vast improvements in communication to the elimination of many dread plagues and diseases. And so after noticing these astounding successes modern man ushered in a new god and a new religion. Individual scientist became the high priests, chemical and biological instrumants became sacramental agencies through which the invisible grace of the scientific god became visibly manifested, and scientific laboratories became the sanctuaries. And so modern man dutifully worshipped at the shrine of the god of science.

But today we are confronted with the tragic fact that the god of science which we so devoutly worshipped has brought about the possibility of universal annihilation, and so man today stands on the brink of atomic destruction aghast, panic-stricken and petrified. He realizes now that his greatest need is not science which is power, but wisdom which is control. Doubtless some one has been saying, but is it not right to devote ourselves to scientific adventure? Is not science important for the progress of civilization? To this I would answer yes. No person of sound intelligence could minimize science. It is not science in itself that I am condemning, {but it is the tendency of projecting it to the status of God that I am condemning.} We must come to see that science only furnishes us with the means by which we live, but never with the spiritual ends for which we live. And so we must turn back and give our ultimate devotion to the God who integrates the whole of life, to the God in whom we live and move and have our being, to the God who has been our help in ages past, our hope for years to come, our shelter from the stormy blast, and our eternal home.6 Preached July 5, 1953"
False Gods We Worship | The Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute
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Science isn’t a god or religion.

Science is a method of acquiring knowledge and testing them. There are no worshipping involved.

I don’t worship civil engineering, when I am designing buildings or roads. And I don’t worship my design because where I might disagree with other engineers’ designs.

Your notion of what is “religion” is, I don’t know to say it in another way, it’s stupid.
 
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
Maximilian said:
And do you have any concrete evidence Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist?
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No but it can be shown that it's a myth just like Zeus or Odin.


Jehovah is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh.

Yahweh starts out as a warrior deity then moves up to the "one true god"??

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.
In the oldest biblical literature, Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior", who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies;[8] he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah,[9] and over time the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[10][11] By the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.[11]




Yahweh was a subordinate god to El and had a goddess girlfriend Ashera:


"Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age when the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[29] The milieu from which Israelite religion emerged was accordingly Canaanite.[30] El, "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures," was the chief of the Canaanite gods,[31] and he, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel"—the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[32] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[31][33] This pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;"


Yahweh - Wikipedia
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Remté said:
Many who say there is no God because science can't prove it actually worship science.

"Let us notice this morning how modern man has made a god of science. It was quite easy for modern man to put his ultimate faith in science because science had brought about such remarkable advances, such tangible and amazing victories. He realized that man through his scientific genius had dwarfed distances and placed time in chains. He noticed the new comforts that had been brought about by science, from the vast improvements in communication to the elimination of many dread plagues and diseases. And so after noticing these astounding successes modern man ushered in a new god and a new religion. Individual scientist became the high priests, chemical and biological instrumants became sacramental agencies through which the invisible grace of the scientific god became visibly manifested, and scientific laboratories became the sanctuaries. And so modern man dutifully worshipped at the shrine of the god of science.

But today we are confronted with the tragic fact that the god of science which we so devoutly worshipped has brought about the possibility of universal annihilation, and so man today stands on the brink of atomic destruction aghast, panic-stricken and petrified. He realizes now that his greatest need is not science which is power, but wisdom which is control. Doubtless some one has been saying, but is it not right to devote ourselves to scientific adventure? Is not science important for the progress of civilization? To this I would answer yes. No person of sound intelligence could minimize science. It is not science in itself that I am condemning, {but it is the tendency of projecting it to the status of God that I am condemning.} We must come to see that science only furnishes us with the means by which we live, but never with the spiritual ends for which we live. And so we must turn back and give our ultimate devotion to the God who integrates the whole of life, to the God in whom we live and move and have our being, to the God who has been our help in ages past, our hope for years to come, our shelter from the stormy blast, and our eternal home.6 Preached July 5, 1953"
False Gods We Worship | The Martin Luther King, Jr., Research and Education Institute
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you are redefining the word “god” so as to make it useless.......
 
cladking

cladking

Well-Known Member
All humans today must model reality through their beliefs because this is the nature of the programming we use called "language".

There are no alternatives and no exceptions so in every real way science has become the new "God" and scientists its priests. It's no matter that the priests usually can't prophesize nor explain because science is inexact and needs our worship anyway. It doesn't matter our models are still composed of belief because experiment underlies many of our beliefs.

It's a strange set of affairs since people can't see this truth.

It's great to be back by the way. All it took was a new computer.
 
Kk4mds

Kk4mds

Member
There is no conflict between science and belief in G-d. They are not mutually exclusive. That is because the existence of G-d is not studied by science. It does not study the “who”.

Either you believe, or you do not.
 
cladking

cladking

Well-Known Member
sooda said:
Claiming that people worship science is absolute crap.. I don't know why they try this lame accusation again and again.
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Nobody "worships" science by current definitions. But they have a stronger belief in science than anyone who perpetuated the Spanish Inquisition. They are more "holier than thou" (generally) than any of the most devout. They see reality more in terms of their models composed largely of beliefs, extrapolations, and interpolations than most any religious person.

The situation today is far worse than it's ever been before because we have adopted "Look and See Science" which always generates a "Soup of the Day Science". More than ever people who believe in science are incapable of considering the possibility they can be wrong about anything. Opinion has been elevated to a 99.9% confidence and they'll do the math to prove it.

The problem isn't in science, it's in a deep seated misunderstanding of metaphysics, epistemology, and language. It's in a misunderstanding of the nature of life and consciousness.

Look and See Science will soon enough be the death of us all if we don't come to actually look and see its nature.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
cladking said:
Nobody "worships" science by current definitions. But they have a stronger belief in science than anyone who perpetuated the Spanish Inquisition. They are more "holier than thou" (generally) than any of the most devout. They see reality more in terms of their models composed largely of beliefs, extrapolations, and interpolations than most any religious person.

The situation today is far worse than it's ever been before because we have adopted "Look and See Science" which always generates a "Soup of the Day Science". More than ever people who believe in science are incapable of considering the possibility they can be wrong about anything. Opinion has been elevated to a 99.9% confidence and they'll do the math to prove it.

The problem isn't in science, it's in a deep seated misunderstanding of metaphysics, epistemology, and language. It's in a misunderstanding of the nature of life and consciousness.

Look and See Science will soon enough be the death of us all if we don't come to actually look and see its nature.
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That is nothing. You've elevated your opinions
to 100% pure fact.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
joelr said:
No but it can be shown that it's a myth just like Zeus or Odin.


Jehovah is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh.

Yahweh starts out as a warrior deity then moves up to the "one true god"??

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.
In the oldest biblical literature, Yahweh is a typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior", who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies;[8] he later became the main god of the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and of Judah,[9] and over time the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to the other gods and goddesses.[10][11] By the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BCE), the very existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world.[11]




Yahweh was a subordinate god to El and had a goddess girlfriend Ashera:


"Israel emerges into the historical record in the last decades of the 13th century BCE, at the very end of the Late Bronze Age when the Canaanite city-state system was ending.[29] The milieu from which Israelite religion emerged was accordingly Canaanite.[30] El, "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures," was the chief of the Canaanite gods,[31] and he, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel"—the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[32] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[31][33] This pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;"


Yahweh - Wikipedia
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Also a god of the North Coast Canaanites.....

  1. YahwehYawUgarit - BibleOrigins
    www.bibleorigins.net/YahwehYawUgarit.html
    I have posited that Yahweh is, in part, Yaw/Yam of the Ugaritic Myths (1500-1200 BCE). Later ages apparently fused Ugaritic El (Bull-El), Yaw and Baal together into the persona of Yahweh-Elohim. In taking on the attributes and feats of these gods, Yahweh also took on their wives and consorts.

  2. Was the Jewish Yahweh closely associated with El, the king ...
    https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Jewish-Yahweh-closely-associated-with-El-the-king-of-the...
    Aug 22, 2016 · Ugarit was an ancient port city at the Ras Shamra headland in northern Syria. Ugarit had close connections to the Hittite Empire, sent tribute to Egypt at times. Such mythological motifs are variously seen as late survivals from a period when Yahweh held a place in theology comparable to that of God Hadad at Ugarit.
 
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