What do you mean by 'they don't report any difficulties'? Do you think that means there ARE no difficulties?
I had dinner with an ex-pat who lives there tonight. Not American, but western.
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Jihad is not what you think it is
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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What do you mean by 'they don't report any difficulties'? Do you think that means there ARE no difficulties?
I had dinner with an ex-pat who lives there tonight. Not American, but western.
ManSinha
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Then it would perhaps behoove you to take a few minutes and learn - I have provided the links or you are more than adept at doing your own search. Just relying on your current experiences tells only part of the story. There is a whole another side that is also present. This is not about Arabs trading - this is about terrorizing the locals and spreading Islam at the point of a sword riding roughshod over the local religions and beliefs.
The British ruled by using divide and conquer but they were careful to at least officially stay out of the religious politics -
Spirit of Light
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I have not seen Muhammed do what he is accused to have done so i am not going to judge him from something i do not know he did or did not do. Children should never be abused in any way. But it happens today too, and not only in a islamic world. it happens in every country, so we can not say islam is worse then other on this, that clame fall off its own evidence. But we should not take lightly on it when it happen and we have court systems that handle the cases.
There is more then one way to translate the word Jihad, and the last solution Mohammed said was use of force, not the first, second or third option, but the last. That some people chose to use the last option first is not Islam's fault. is it? And those who fight a war on non muslims are them self not as muslim to be seen.
sooda
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I lived there a long time and still maintain contact.. I have never known any ex-pat who was mistreated or molested in anyway.
Where does your dinner companion live in Arabia?
Hi Amanaki. This is an excellent thread topic. In the Quran it is all about spiritual,struggle against the ego.
Flankerl
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It's also wrong. It comes from an unreliable Hadith that isn't supported among Islamic scholars.
Meanwhile in reality
Quran 4:95
Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -
Furthermore
Sunan Ibn Majah Book 24 Hadith 2794
It was narrated that ‘Amr bin ‘Abasah said: “I came to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?’ He said: ‘(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.’”
This Hadith belongs to the Sahih, which is the greatest rank among the Hadith and means that they are seen as authentic.
There is more where this comes from.
Almost as if an Arab warlord had these warlike ideas. So weird.
I'm would guess you have some warlike ideas of your own with regard the treatment of the Palestinians in Israel!!
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Actually, the Quran clearly describes what Jihad is. Several times. It is exactly what I think it is.
Thanks for gaslighting all of us though, telling us we're crazy for what we know.
Spirit of Light
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I have not Said anything about quran. In OP i say Jihad does not mean actually holy war. It means flight within when cultivating islam.
Why do you feel you got attacked?
Milton Platt
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Explain it to the Jihadists, not us....
The only people who believe this are willfully blind progressives and or those with an apologetic agenda for Islam. Expansion of Islam by offensive military campaigns is an historical obligation of Sunni Islam. (To my knowledge, the Shia require the blessing of the Imam for such campaigns). The Sunni scholars have never been shy on this point. (I can bring out my book on the Crusades, which quotes some of these scholars). Yes, jihad can mean internal struggle, but you've bought a bill of goods if you think such is the only or primary meaning of the word.
Because there is nothing noble in perpetuating politically correct half-truths. We live in the age of the internet, everyone can read the primarily sources for themselves. Being honest about what Islam has historically taught isn't a demonization of Muslims. I don't condemn medieval powers for being expansionistic. That was simply the nature of things.
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Spirit of Light
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I try again. This OP was about the word Jihad and it's true meaning. Not about islam or its wars
We Never Know
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Which meaning?
Definition of jihad.
1 : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline.
2 : a crusade for a principle or belief.
Definition of JIHAD
Others;
1 : a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.
"he declared a jihad against the infidels"
2 : the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.
Spirit of Light
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The first and most important meaning is the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.
Islam practised correctly is a journey within one self
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Then you should go with this one.
Jihad, (Arabic: “struggle” or “effort”)also spelled jehad, in Islam, a meritorious struggle or effort. The exact meaning of the term jihad depends on context; it has often been erroneously translated in the West as “holy war.” Jihad, particularly in the religious and ethical realm, primarily refers to the human struggle to promote what is right and to prevent what is wrong.
jihad | Meaning, Examples, & Use in the Quran
Spirit of Light
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A word means precisely what is understood to mean by those who use it. (Words are significations created by convention, not innate realities with intrinsic meanings). And in Islam the world jihad (usually) means a military campaign for the purpose of either defending or expanding Islam. The fact that you don't want to hear that doesn't change the reality. Being a Buddhist you may struggle to accept this, but ahimsa isn't a universal doctrine. There are value systems which legitimize violence for specific ends. Historically, Islam is one such value system.
To argue otherwise is to argue that Muslims have misconstrued their own religion since the Arab Conquests. That if the caliphates, sultanates and empires had known what jihad really meant...
It's a silly argument.
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Spirit of Light
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Why would i not want to hear it? All i did in the OP was to say the word does not mean only one evil thing, the true meaning of the word has also a very good rightroues answer to it.
But yes it can mean in the very last meaning to defend one self by force, but it does not mean that they should bomb other countries
No one denies that the tradition of jihad in the sense of an internal struggle to overcome sinful dispositions exists. Christians have a similar idea known as spiritual combat. However, to claim 'inner struggle' is the primary and true meaning of the term jihad is to flagrantly ignore the historical reality. Inner struggle is one meaning of jihad. Holy war is the other. It is nonsensical to argue the former is the 'true' meaning of jihad when even the tradition in question denies this in favour of the latter.
No it dosen't. Firstly, because no Muslim majority country is in any position to wage offense jihads against the west. Secondly, it isn't the middle ages anymore and offensive, expansionist holy wars are a hard sell in today's order.