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Biblical prophesy

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But since one does not know the history of something a priori do you really know
when the necessary assumptions are violated ... no... not really

Why do you assume that scientists cannot solve these problems?

C14 assumes uniformity of the environment.. and of course in a flood scenario the environment changing violates that assumption That is only one example

Besides the fact that we know the flood did not happen, there has never been a nonhumorous explanation by creationists on how the rate would change.

Ground water might change the amount of radiation, etc, etc... weather might... many things

C14 may however be used to challenge and old age and oddly enough there is a great deal of C14 in Cambrian diamonds which makes it challenging to accept an old age for them

Umm, no. But thanks for the joke.

And no, there is not a "great deal of C14 in diamonds". There can be very very small amounts. And that has been explained as well. Though surely you can find an article from a well respected professional peer reviewed journal to support that claim of yours.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
What makes you think that he is biased? He has a strong viewpoint but he does not deny reality. What evidence do you have for any successful prophecies? And one thing one needs to keep in mind is that any vague enough prophecy without any dates is bound to be "fulfilled". Specific prophecies in the Bible fail in epic fashion. The Tyre prophesy is one of them. It was a specific prophesy about how a specific king would defeat and destroy Tyre. He failed to do so. At that point the liars for Jesus, also known as apologists, come in and try to change the interpretation of the text.

If I had to guess, I would say this is why he claims it's a biased source. And in my opinion he has a valid argument.

"Aron Ra is an atheist activist and the host of the Ra-Men Podcast. He formerly served as president of the Atheist Alliance of America and is a regional director of American Atheists."
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Slow night so I tracked down some of the Wiki links. This one pretty much settles it, Wood was wrong:

Is Bryant Wood's chronology of Jericho valid?

Some excerpts:

'In the March/April 1990 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review conservative biblical archaeologist Dr. Bryant G. Wood proposed that Garstang was right all along. He proposed that the termination of City IV Jericho be redated from ca. 1550 B.C. to ca. 1400 B.C. He argued that a reanalyis of pottery shards excavated from City IV, stratigraphic considerations, scarab evidence, and a single radiocarbon date all converged "to demonstrate that City IV was destroyed in about 1400 B.C.E., not 1550 B.C.E. as Kenyon maintained." '

Oh oh, looks pretty good for Wood.

But wait the professionals did not take Wood very seriously:

"Wood has attempted to redate the destruction of Jericho City IV from the end of the Middle Bronze Age (c. 1550 B.C.) to the end of the Late Bronze I (c. 1400 B.C.). He has put forward four lines of argument to support his conclusion. Not a single one of these arguments can stand up to scrutiny. On the contrary, there is strong evidence to confirm Kathleen Kenyon's dating of City IV to the Middle Bronze Age. Wood's attempt to equate the destruction of City IV with the Israelite conquest of Jericho must therefore be rejected."

Wood was not happy:

"Bienkowski's attempt to explain away the evidence for lowering the date of the destruction of Jericho is misguided and void of substance. Assertions made without data to back them up are unconvincing. His discussion is superficial, at best, lacking both depth and precision."

The plot thickens:

"
Settling the Dispute
It is clear that the question is one of chronology. When was City IV Jericho destroyed? The scholarly consensus says ca. 1550 B.C., Wood says ca. 1400 B.C. What source can we turn to to settle this dispute?

In fact, radiocarbon is such a source. In the early 1990's, when Wood first published his claims, there was only one radiocarbon measurement available for City IV. It was from a piece of charcoal dated by the British Museum to 1410 plus or minus 40 years B.C. Unfortunately, this date was later retracted by the British Museum, along with dates of several hundred other samples. The British Museum found that their radiocarbon measurement apparatus had gone out of calibration for a period of time, and thus had yielded incorrect dates during that period. The corrected date for the charcoal sample from City IV turned out to be consistent with Kenyon's ca. 1550 B.C. date for the City IV destruction.

The corrected date no longer supported Wood's proposal, but it was insufficient to falsify the proposal. Radiocarbon dates on charcoal give the date the wood grew, not the date it was burned. To be consistent with Bryant Wood's proposal, the wood which burned to produce the charcoal sample would need to have been cut from a living tree 150 years prior to the destruction. Of course, this is not impossible."

So Wood lost his one radiocarbon date. How will this be resolved?

"
As mentioned earlier, no other radiocarbon dates from samples from City IV Jericho were available in the early 1990's. In 1995, however, results were published by Hendrik J. Bruins and Johannes van der Plicht from high-precision radiocarbon measurements made on eighteen samples from Jericho. Six of these samples were charred cereal grains from the City IV destruction. Bruins and van der Plicht did not set out to disprove Wood's thesis. Their stated purpose was to contribute "toward the establishment of an independent radiocarbon chronology of Near Eastern archaeology."

The chart below is the same as the chart shown earlier. Heavy black bars have been added showing the range of dates radiocarbon gave from the six charred grain samples from City IV Jericho.

jericho_c14.gif


Bruins and van der Plicht recognized the results of their work held a serious implication for Wood's theory. They devoted only one sentence to this implication:

Further, the fortified Bronze Age city at Tell es-Sultan [Jericho] was not destroyed by ca.1400 BC, as Wood (1990) suggested.As is evident from the chart, the radiocarbon measurements strongly support the chronology advanced by Kenyon long before the radiocarbon measurements were made. This radiocarbon evidence falsifies Wood's theory. City IV was destroyed ca. 1550 B.C., not ca. 1400 B.C. City IV Jericho was not destroyed by Joshua."

So Wood was wrong after all. Radiocarbon dating, which he relied on, showed that he was wrong in his dating of the destruction of the city.

Do you have anything else?

Sorry young fellow, Jericho was destroyed by Joshua.

From ‘The World Book Dictionary,’ (Hyksos) “A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt—from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings.” --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, ‘Hyksos’, invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of “King Tutimaios” entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567 B.C.

Genesis 41: After Joseph had revealed to the king that his dreams were a prophecy telling of a seven year period of plenty, which would be followed by a seven year period of severe drought, Joseph is made Governor of all Egypt, and all Egyptians were commanded by the King to obey him. The King removed his royal ring with its engraved seal and put it on the finger of Joseph.

He was given the second royal chariot and a guard of honour who went ahead of him crying out, “Make way, make way.” And the King said: I am King, but no one in all of Egypt shall so much as lift a hand or a foot without Joseph’s permission. He gave Joseph an Egyptian wife, Asenath, the daughter of the High priest of Heliopolis, who prophesied that if ever the bones of Joseph left Egypt, the LIGHT of Egypt would go with him. For that reason, a permanent guard was set up to keep watch over the tomb of Joseph, in order that no one could remove the mummified body of Joseph.

During the seven years of plenty, Joseph gathered a percentage of the Egyptian grain crop as a tax, which was stored in silos throughout Egypt. In the early stages of the great seven-year drought, the Egyptians had to buy their grain from Joseph, when their money had all gone they traded their possessions and livestock, after which, they were forced to sign their land over for grain in order to survive.

Genesis 47: 20-21. Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for the king. Every Egyptian was forced to sell their land, because the famine was so severe; Joseph made slaves of all the people from one end of Egypt to the other, without striking a blow.

If Josephus the historian is correct and the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed after they had wandered in the desert for 40 years, then according to the biblical account, the destruction of Jericho would have occurred around 1527 BC. 1567-40=1527.

The Hyksos were described as bowmen and cavalrymen wearing the cloaks of many colours, much like the cloak of many colours that was worn by Joseph the son of Israel and the first of the Hyksos kings, of who it is said in Genesis 50: 23; that he lived to receive the children of Machir the son of Manasseh into the family. And in Judges 5: 14, it is written that the commanders of the army came down from Machir, of who it is said in Joshua 17: 1; that Machir was the firstborn son of Manasseh, the first born of Joseph, and that he was a military hero, and the father of young Gilead, the young prince who died childless.

After the Exodus of the shepherd kings, and the removal of the mummified remains of Joseph, which were to be taken to Shechem and buried there in the land of Israel as per Joseph’s last wish, the Egyptian Guards would have been removed, and any grave robbers who were later confronted with the opened sarcophagus’ of Joseph and his wife in the empty tomb, would have assumed that others had beaten them to it, and had left empty handed, BUT???

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests, which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

The radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, confirm that the biblical date of 1527 BC for the destruction, agrees with Kathleen Kenyon’s findings.

1562 (minus 38 years) [1562-38=1524 BC.] this would mean that Jericho fell somewhere between 1562 and 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus’ date for the Exodus in 1567. [1567-40=1527 BC]
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If I had to guess, I would say this is why he claims it's a biased source. And in my opinion he has a valid argument.

"Aron Ra is an atheist activist and the host of the Ra-Men Podcast. He formerly served as president of the Atheist Alliance of America and is a regional director of American Atheists."
Sorry, his argument was far from valid since all he could do was to deny the facts presented with no evidence of his own.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sorry young fellow, Jericho was destroyed by Joshua.

From ‘The World Book Dictionary,’ (Hyksos) “A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt—from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings.” --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, ‘Hyksos’, invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of “King Tutimaios” entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567 B.C.

Genesis 41: After Joseph had revealed to the king that his dreams were a prophecy telling of a seven year period of plenty, which would be followed by a seven year period of severe drought, Joseph is made Governor of all Egypt, and all Egyptians were commanded by the King to obey him. The King removed his royal ring with its engraved seal and put it on the finger of Joseph.

He was given the second royal chariot and a guard of honour who went ahead of him crying out, “Make way, make way.” And the King said: I am King, but no one in all of Egypt shall so much as lift a hand or a foot without Joseph’s permission. He gave Joseph an Egyptian wife, Asenath, the daughter of the High priest of Heliopolis, who prophesied that if ever the bones of Joseph left Egypt, the LIGHT of Egypt would go with him. For that reason, a permanent guard was set up to keep watch over the tomb of Joseph, in order that no one could remove the mummified body of Joseph.

During the seven years of plenty, Joseph gathered a percentage of the Egyptian grain crop as a tax, which was stored in silos throughout Egypt. In the early stages of the great seven-year drought, the Egyptians had to buy their grain from Joseph, when their money had all gone they traded their possessions and livestock, after which, they were forced to sign their land over for grain in order to survive.

Genesis 47: 20-21. Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for the king. Every Egyptian was forced to sell their land, because the famine was so severe; Joseph made slaves of all the people from one end of Egypt to the other, without striking a blow.

If Josephus the historian is correct and the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed after they had wandered in the desert for 40 years, then according to the biblical account, the destruction of Jericho would have occurred around 1527 BC. 1567-40=1527.

The Hyksos were described as bowmen and cavalrymen wearing the cloaks of many colours, much like the cloak of many colours that was worn by Joseph the son of Israel and the first of the Hyksos kings, of who it is said in Genesis 50: 23; that he lived to receive the children of Machir the son of Manasseh into the family. And in Judges 5: 14, it is written that the commanders of the army came down from Machir, of who it is said in Joshua 17: 1; that Machir was the firstborn son of Manasseh, the first born of Joseph, and that he was a military hero, and the father of young Gilead, the young prince who died childless.

After the Exodus of the shepherd kings, and the removal of the mummified remains of Joseph, which were to be taken to Shechem and buried there in the land of Israel as per Joseph’s last wish, the Egyptian Guards would have been removed, and any grave robbers who were later confronted with the opened sarcophagus’ of Joseph and his wife in the empty tomb, would have assumed that others had beaten them to it, and had left empty handed, BUT???

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests, which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

The radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, confirm that the biblical date of 1527 BC for the destruction, agrees with Kathleen Kenyon’s findings.

1562 (minus 38 years) [1562-38=1524 BC.] this would mean that Jericho fell somewhere between 1562 and 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus’ date for the Exodus in 1567. [1567-40=1527 BC]
You have no evidence for that. All you have is a myth in the Bible and a city that may have been attacked in the right time frame. The evidence does not show that it was destroyed, that the walls were destroyed, all it showed was a possible attack. You need actual evidence for the claims in the Bible from a source that is well accepted.

In fact your source does not agree with your claims. Funny things happen when one looks into the sources of some extremists. All to often the sources are not reliable or they do not make the claims that the extremist says that the make. For example Kathleen Kenyon does not support your claims:

"Although Kenyon had no doubt the sites she excavated were linked to the Old Testament narrative she nevertheless drew attention to inconsistencies, concluding that Solomon's "stables" at Megiddo were totally impractical for holding horses (1978:72), and that Jericho fell long before Joshua's arrival (1978:35). Consequently, Kenyon's work has been cited to support the Minimalist School of Biblical Archaeology."

Kathleen Kenyon - Wikipedia

So yes, Kathleen Kenyon was a well respected archaeologist. She did do work on Jericho that made her famous. But no, she does not support the Bible narrative and says that it is wrong. Your own source says that you are wrong "son".
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Sorry young fellow, Jericho was destroyed by Joshua.

From ‘The World Book Dictionary,’ (Hyksos) “A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt—from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings.” --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, ‘Hyksos’, invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of “King Tutimaios” entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567 B.C.

Genesis 41: After Joseph had revealed to the king that his dreams were a prophecy telling of a seven year period of plenty, which would be followed by a seven year period of severe drought, Joseph is made Governor of all Egypt, and all Egyptians were commanded by the King to obey him. The King removed his royal ring with its engraved seal and put it on the finger of Joseph.

He was given the second royal chariot and a guard of honour who went ahead of him crying out, “Make way, make way.” And the King said: I am King, but no one in all of Egypt shall so much as lift a hand or a foot without Joseph’s permission. He gave Joseph an Egyptian wife, Asenath, the daughter of the High priest of Heliopolis, who prophesied that if ever the bones of Joseph left Egypt, the LIGHT of Egypt would go with him. For that reason, a permanent guard was set up to keep watch over the tomb of Joseph, in order that no one could remove the mummified body of Joseph.

During the seven years of plenty, Joseph gathered a percentage of the Egyptian grain crop as a tax, which was stored in silos throughout Egypt. In the early stages of the great seven-year drought, the Egyptians had to buy their grain from Joseph, when their money had all gone they traded their possessions and livestock, after which, they were forced to sign their land over for grain in order to survive.

Genesis 47: 20-21. Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for the king. Every Egyptian was forced to sell their land, because the famine was so severe; Joseph made slaves of all the people from one end of Egypt to the other, without striking a blow.

If Josephus the historian is correct and the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed after they had wandered in the desert for 40 years, then according to the biblical account, the destruction of Jericho would have occurred around 1527 BC. 1567-40=1527.

The Hyksos were described as bowmen and cavalrymen wearing the cloaks of many colours, much like the cloak of many colours that was worn by Joseph the son of Israel and the first of the Hyksos kings, of who it is said in Genesis 50: 23; that he lived to receive the children of Machir the son of Manasseh into the family. And in Judges 5: 14, it is written that the commanders of the army came down from Machir, of who it is said in Joshua 17: 1; that Machir was the firstborn son of Manasseh, the first born of Joseph, and that he was a military hero, and the father of young Gilead, the young prince who died childless.

After the Exodus of the shepherd kings, and the removal of the mummified remains of Joseph, which were to be taken to Shechem and buried there in the land of Israel as per Joseph’s last wish, the Egyptian Guards would have been removed, and any grave robbers who were later confronted with the opened sarcophagus’ of Joseph and his wife in the empty tomb, would have assumed that others had beaten them to it, and had left empty handed, BUT???

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests, which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

The radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, confirm that the biblical date of 1527 BC for the destruction, agrees with Kathleen Kenyon’s findings.

1562 (minus 38 years) [1562-38=1524 BC.] this would mean that Jericho fell somewhere between 1562 and 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus’ date for the Exodus in 1567. [1567-40=1527 BC]

The story of the Israelite conquest of Jericho (Joshua 2-6) is one of the best known and best loved in the entire Bible. The vivid description of faith and victory has been a source of inspiration for countless generations of Bible readers. But did it really happen as the Bible describes it?

The site has been excavated several times in this century. Based on the conclusion of the most recent excavator, British archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon, most historians and Bible scholars would answer with a resounding "No, certainly not! There was no city there at the time Joshua supposedly conquered it."

continued

Did the Israelites Conquer Jericho? A New Look at the Archaeological Evidence
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You have no evidence for that. All you have is a myth in the Bible and a city that may have been attacked in the right time frame. The evidence does not show that it was destroyed, that the walls were destroyed, all it showed was a possible attack. You need actual evidence for the claims in the Bible from a source that is well accepted.

In fact your source does not agree with your claims. Funny things happen when one looks into the sources of some extremists. All to often the sources are not reliable or they do not make the claims that the extremist says that the make. For example Kathleen Kenyon does not support your claims:

"Although Kenyon had no doubt the sites she excavated were linked to the Old Testament narrative she nevertheless drew attention to inconsistencies, concluding that Solomon's "stables" at Megiddo were totally impractical for holding horses (1978:72), and that Jericho fell long before Joshua's arrival (1978:35). Consequently, Kenyon's work has been cited to support the Minimalist School of Biblical Archaeology."

Kathleen Kenyon - Wikipedia

So yes, Kathleen Kenyon was a well respected archaeologist. She did do work on Jericho that made her famous. But no, she does not support the Bible narrative and says that it is wrong. Your own source says that you are wrong "son".


Kathleen Kenyon, Garstang’s successor at Jericho, excavated the area marked "B," Her conclusions dated Jericho’s destruction to about 1550 B.C.E,– 150 years earlier than Garstang’s date.

This destruction, she concluded, was far too early to ascribe to the Israelites. By the time the Israelites appeared on the scene, she argued, there was no walled city at Jericho.


Did the Israelites Conquer Jericho? A New Look at the Archaeological Evidence
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Kathleen Kenyon, Garstang’s successor at Jericho, excavated the area marked "B," Her conclusions dated Jericho’s destruction to about 1550 B.C.E,– 150 years earlier than Garstang’s date.

This destruction, she concluded, was far too early to ascribe to the Israelites. By the time the Israelites appeared on the scene, she argued, there was no walled city at Jericho.


Did the Israelites Conquer Jericho? A New Look at the Archaeological Evidence
Yep, always check the claims of extremists. The authorities that they site are often their worst enemy.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Yep, always check the claims of extremists. The authorities that site are often their worst enemy.

My first trip to Palestine was just a couple years after Kenyon finished her work in Jericho in 1958.. It was pretty clear then that the Joshua story was an exaggeration of events or an error.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Sorry, his argument was far from valid since all he could do was to deny the facts presented with no evidence of his own.

You need to keep in mind atheist will deny links christians/creationist use so you should expect them to not like links that are made by atheists, especially a guy who hosts a podcast called Ra-men. That title alone is mocking them.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You need to keep in mind atheist will deny links christians/creationist use so you should expect them to not like links that are made by atheists, especially a guy who hosts a podcast called Ra-men. That title alone is mocking them.
How is the title mocking Christians? At worst you could claim a link between Ra and the Egyptian God by that name:

Ra - Wikipedia

Ra-men would be people that follow Ra. You may be conflating Ra-men with Ramen, the end to Pastafarian prayers, but there is no such tie in this case.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
How is the title mocking Christians? At worst you could claim a link between Ra and the Egyptian God by that name:

Ra - Wikipedia

Ra-men would be people that follow Ra. You may be conflating Ra-men with Ramen, the end to Pastafarian prayers, but there is no such tie in this case.

Seriously lol. Poor defense if you think or claim he named his podcast after a sun god. I suppose when christians speak of jesus they are talking about some guy in Tijuana.

Nope no mention of the sun anywhere on the site.

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/podcasts/ra-men-podcast

The Ra-Men Podcast is relatively new, featuring secular stars Aron Ra and Mark Nebo.
Once every two weeks, they interview guests familiar with atheism, secularism, and science, giving the listener a wide range of information to absorb.
Both hosts bring talent and expertise to the table, delivering a discussion that is well worth the two week wait.
Plus, the podcast’s name is cool as hell. Check it out.

A little further down where they want you to donate money..

"Bringing you atheist articles and building active godless communities takes hundreds of hours and resources each month. If you find any joy or stimulation at Atheist Republic, please consider becoming a Supporting Member with a recurring monthly donation of your choosing, between a cup of tea and a good dinner."
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You need to keep in mind atheist will deny links christians/creationist use so you should expect them to not like links that are made by atheists, especially a guy who hosts a podcast called Ra-men. That title alone is mocking them.

How is the title mocking Christians? At worst you could claim a link between Ra and the Egyptian God by that name:

Ra - Wikipedia

Ra-men would be people that follow Ra. You may be conflating Ra-men with Ramen, the end to Pastafarian prayers, but there is no such tie in this case.

RA in ancient Egypt meant "mouth".. and from that you get Is-RA-el. There is so much overlap between early Israel, the Ugarit on the northern coast of Syria and Egypt which is only natural considering Egypt controlled both the Ugarit and Canaan as well as Sinai. El is one of the Canaanite gods. There is no separating them.. Its not as if Israel's monotheism came out of nowhere.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You need to keep in mind atheist will deny links christians/creationist use so you should expect them to not like links that are made by atheists, especially a guy who hosts a podcast called Ra-men. That title alone is mocking them.

The problem isn't atheism.. The problem is the utter rejection of science, history, geology and archaeology that creationists require.

Christianity isn't dependent on Bronze Age fairy tales (or teaching narratives) nor should it be. Neither is Judaism.

As far back as Rambam ( Moses ben Maimon, commonly known as Maimonides in 1135 AD) the Jews knew that when stories conflicted with the laws of nature.. the laws of nature won out.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
RA in ancient Egypt meant "mouth".. and from that you get Is-RA-el. There is so much overlap between early Israel, the Ugarit on the northern coast of Syria and Egypt which is only natural considering Egypt controlled both the Ugarit and Canaan as well as Sinai. El is one of the Canaanite gods. There is no separating them.. Its not as if Israel's monotheism came out of nowhere.

Too many times have I seen and even used my self ramen or ra-men as a mock to amen. Ra-men is the most common because who wants to look like a noodle, i.e. ramen.

I'm not trying to take up for any christians. I don't like or dislike anyone for what they believe or don't believe and I think the best thing a person can be in life is straight up and fair which is what I'm trying to do.

Edit. I can't honestly say which is most common.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Too many times have I seen and even used my self ramen or ra-men as a mock to amen. Ra-men is the most common because who wants to look like a noodle, i.e. ramen.

I'm not trying to take up for any christians. I don't like or dislike anyone for what they believe or don't believe and I think the best thing a person can be in life is straight up and fair which is what I'm trying to do.

Edit. I can't honestly say which is most common.

:) LOL.. OK.. I just don't think RA has anything to do with noodles!
 

We Never Know

No Slack
:) LOL.. OK.. I just don't think RA has anything to do with noodles!

Ra is the ancient Egyptian deity of the sun. I don't think an atheist activist would name his podcast after a sun god.
Ra-men or ramen as I've seen them used and used them my self is a mock of amen .
 

We Never Know

No Slack
RA in ancient Egypt meant "mouth".. and from that you get Is-RA-el. There is so much overlap between early Israel, the Ugarit on the northern coast of Syria and Egypt which is only natural considering Egypt controlled both the Ugarit and Canaan as well as Sinai. El is one of the Canaanite gods. There is no separating them.. Its not as if Israel's monotheism came out of nowhere.

Ra was thought to be the god of the sun and creation. Ra’s name came from Re and Amen. The name Re was from Upper Egypt and the name Amen came from Lower Egypt. When Upper and Lower Egypt came together they changed the name to Amen-Re. Over thousands of years the name Amen-Re evolved into Amen-Ra and then just to Ra. From then on people called him Re or Ra. Ra used to mean “mouth” in the Egyptian language. Some names are:Re, the Creator, Khepry, etc.

Ra - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Ra was thought to be the god of the sun and creation. Ra’s name came from Re and Amen. The name Re was from Upper Egypt and the name Amen came from Lower Egypt. When Upper and Lower Egypt came together they changed the name to Amen-Re. Over thousands of years the name Amen-Re evolved into Amen-Ra and then just to Ra. From then on people called him Re or Ra. Ra used to mean “mouth” in the Egyptian language. Some names are:Re, the Creator, Khepry, etc.

Ra - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well done.. Thank you.
 
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