A New Dark Age For Europe

Berenice, daughter of King Agrippa I, queen of Chalcis, was married three times and then became the lover of the emperor’s son, Titus. Inscriptions indicate that she was a Roman citizen and bore the Roman name Julia.

She was Herod the Great’s great-granddaughter. After her father’s ascension to the throne, as the Emperor Caligula’s favorite, she was betrothed to Marcus, son of Alexander, head of the Jewish community in Alexandria, and nephew of Philo the philosopher.

According to calculations, she was only thirteen at the time (Josephus, Ant. 19.276–277).

It is unclear whether or not she actually married Marcus. After his death in 44 C.E., when she was sixteen years of age, her father arranged a marriage for her with his older brother, Herod.


This is so confusing with regard to Revelation that I need a minute to figure out how to explain it.

Looncall said:

Sounds unlikely to me. But it does sound typical of Muslims whining about outsiders when they run into difficulties.

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You're the only one whining.

Notanumber said:

Why don’t you start a thread about it and I will join in.

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It was simply a valid and much more up to date response to you bringing up Lee Rigby.

ChristineM said:

It was simply a valid and much more up to date response to you bringing up Lee Rigby.

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This man mentions Lee Rigby as well.

Notanumber said:

This man mentions Lee Rigby as well.

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I wonder how his parents feel about right wing xenopobes using the precious memory of their son as a political weapon of hate rather peace?

And you should realise by now that no one watches your proselytizing videos


And i wonder why you always put "this man" rather than "this Far right extreme activist. EDL and BNP fascist party buddy and fascist Liberty gb member"

After Herod’s death, the Romans bestowed the kingdom of Chalcis on Berenice’s older brother, Agrippa II. In rabbinic literature she is mentioned as the queen alongside her brother, the king.

Josephus claimed that rumors of the two siblings’ inappropriate relationship led Berenice to seek a third husband.

His unflattering description of Berenice’s incestuous relationship with her brother appears only in his later work, Jewish Antiquities,written after Titus died.

She and Titus are referenced in code in the Book of Revelation and I have the impression that they sided with Rome and the apostate Jews who also sided with Rome.

Let me see if I can find the reference in Revelation.

The whore of Babylon is embodied by the famous, beautiful and scandalous Queen Berenice, the daughter of Agrippa I (king of Judaea and Samaria) and lover of Titus..

The numerical values of the letters of the names of the three beasts; Caesar NERO (A.D. 54-68) VESPASIAN (A.D. 69-79) and TITUS (A.D. 79-81); each add up to 666.

Rev 17-18 were also fulfilled in the life of Berenice, the human embodiment of adulterous Jerusalem.

In Rev 17:16 the Zealots robbed and killed the people pf Jerusalem and burned parts of the city because of infighting. Josephus refers to the Zealots assault on the own city as a beast eating its own flesh.
The 10 horns hate the prostitute (Jerusalem)” “EAT HER FLESH and BURN her with fire.” (Rev 17:16)

Josephus says that Titus “went into the most holy place of the temple, with his commanders, and saw it.”

Josephus says Titus entered the part of the Temple which was shrouded in mystery meaning he entered the Holy of Holies in A.D. 70. Afterwards, images of Titus and Vespasian were worshipped in the Temple.

“He sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)

“It set up an image of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” (Rev. 13:14)

loverofhumanity said:

There are many Muslim’s now who only accept the Quran and not the hadiths.

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Define 'many'.

The_Fisher_King said:

Define 'many'.

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Very few hadiths can be authenticated.. In the past different tribes and different schools of juris prudence sort of chose their favorites.. There has been a movement to sort out what is Islamic and what is tribal. The younger clergy is better educated than in the past.

Consider Bukhari. He was from Persia and lived 200 years after the death of Muhammed. He reported some 60,000 hadiths at age 98.

sooda said:

Very few hadiths can be authenticated.. In the past different tribes and different schools of juris prudence sort of chose their favorites.. There has been a movement to sort out what is Islamic and what is tribal. The younger clergy is better educated than in the past.

Consider Bukhari. He was from Persia and lived 200 years after the death of Muhammed. He reported some 60,000 hadiths at age 98.

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I quite agree, but I don't think there are yet many Muslims who think so.

The_Fisher_King said:

I quite agree, but I don't think there are yet many Muslims who think so.

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I think that depends on where they are from … The Gulf States have been moving forward in terms of healthcare and education at a steady pace for 60 years.. Family size is smaller, fewer men have more than one wife. The age of marriage for girls has gone up to 22 years. Lots and lots of women in grad school.

On the other hand, poor states still have basic issues with lack of healthcare or education or even clean water.. It makes a HUGE difference.

sooda said:

The false prophet was Titus.

Titus, the little horn, is also called the false prophet to the beast in Revelation 19:20: “But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf.”

Titus, the son of the beast, Emperor Vespasian, is the mouth of the beast of Revelation 13:5-6, the little horn of Daniel 7 and the false prophet of Revelation 19:20. Note the repetition ...

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Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

When exactly was "Titus" thrown into the "fiery lake of burning sulfur" with his dead father, your "the beast" (Revelation 19:20)? As for the "little horn" of Daniel 7:8, which of the 3 of the first horns were "pulled out by the roots before it"? And when did the "Ancient of Days took his seat" before the "beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire" (Daniel 7:11)? And when did the "son of man" come to take dominion of all the peoples, nations, and men of every language", and whose kingdom "will not be destroyed". (Daniel 7:14). And who is the "another will rise after them" (the 10 kings) (Daniel 7:24), who "will be different from the previous ones, and will subdue three kings. And who are those three subdued kings which "will arise after them", the "ten horns" (Daniel 7:24). Which kings arose after the 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, which will be subdued by "another will arise after them"?

New American Standard Bible Daniel 7:24
'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

sooda said:

I think that depends on where they are from … The Gulf States have been moving forward in terms of healthcare and education at a steady pace for 60 years.. Family size is smaller, fewer men have more than one wife. The age of marriage for girls has gone up to 22 years. Lots and lots of women in grad school.

On the other hand, poor states still have basic issues with lack of healthcare or education or even clean water.. It makes a HUGE difference.

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The Gulf states, made rich with oil revenues, do not give a proper portrayal of Islam. Apparently, except for the KSA exporting radical Islam, I am not sure how they are helping their poorer Muslim brothers. Apart from interference by the coalition forces, the Gulf states and KSA would probably be speaking with an Iraqi twang, and sharing their daughters with Iraqi generals.

sooda said:

Josephus says that Titus “went into the most holy place of the temple, with his commanders, and saw it.”

Josephus says Titus entered the part of the Temple which was shrouded in mystery meaning he entered the Holy of Holies in A.D. 70. Afterwards, images of Titus and Vespasian were worshipped in the Temple.

“He sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)

“It set up an image of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” (Rev. 13:14)

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Antiochus, Pompey, and Titus all desecrated the holy of holies, but Titus didn't "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth", and give them a mark. They all sacrificed a pig in the holy of holies. The only one who was "slain" and was "healed" was Julius Caesar, a co ruler with Pompey at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem under Pompey. It was "another beast" (Revelation 13:11) who deceived "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). The "another", is the "another" of Daniel 7:24, who follows the "ten horns" of the "fourth kingdom" (Daniel 7:23). You seem to still be 2000 years behind history.

2ndpillar said:

Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

When exactly was "Titus" thrown into the "fiery lake of burning sulfur" with his dead father, your "the beast" (Revelation 19:20)? As for the "little horn" of Daniel 7:8, which of the 3 of the first horns were "pulled out by the roots before it"? And when did the "Ancient of Days took his seat" before the "beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire" (Daniel 7:11)? And when did the "son of man" come to take dominion of all the peoples, nations, and men of every language", and whose kingdom "will not be destroyed". (Daniel 7:14). And who is the "another will rise after them" (the 10 kings) (Daniel 7:24), who "will be different from the previous ones, and will subdue three kings. And who are those three subdued kings which "will arise after them", the "ten horns" (Daniel 7:24). Which kings arose after the 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, which will be subdued by "another will arise after them"?

New American Standard Bible Daniel 7:24
'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

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You mean Rev 21:8??

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Vespasian died in 79 AD.. Titus died in 81 AD.

Jerusalem and Israel were Burned by the Romans during the Jewish War.

During the gradual conquest of Israel during the Jewish War, Rome, the beast, set fire to city after city as well as the surrounding countryside as part of Rome’s scorched-earth policy.

As a result, Jerusalem and much of the rest of Israel was progressively engulfed in a literal lake of fire in partial fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:7: “By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.”

As an earthly shadow of the Abyss, the fiery lake of burning sulfur in v. 20, Israel, the earth, was engulfed in fire during the Jewish War: “Now this country Jericho is then so sadly burnt up that nobody care to come at it…”The Wars of the Jews 4.8.3." “Nor did the Romans . . . leave off either by night or by day, burning the places in the plain . . . so that Galilee was all over filled with fire and blood. . . .”

Vespasian also set fire, not only to the city of Gadara itself, but to all the villas and small cities that were round about it. . . .”

Titus also totally demolished Jerusalem, setting the entire city and its suburbs on fire. Much of the rest of Israel was also left charred and desolate, suffering the same fate as that of Jerusalem, Jericho, Gadara and Galilee mentioned above.

2ndpillar said:

The Gulf states, made rich with oil revenues, do not give a proper portrayal of Islam. Apparently, except for the KSA exporting radical Islam, I am not sure how they are helping their poorer Muslim brothers.

Apart from interference by the coalition forces, the Gulf states and KSA would probably be speaking with an Iraqi twang, and sharing their daughters with Iraqi generals.

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Iraq had no beef with the Saudis.. You see they forgave the OPEC quota debt Saddam incurred in the years he was fighting with Iran. Kuwait, on the other hand, did not forgive the debt and continued extracting Iraqi oil.

Most people don't know that.. The Bush administration claimed they were saving KSA.. Pure BS, but how would you know?

KSA also doesn't export terrorism.. Its an utterly stupid accusation made by people who are grossly ignorant of the Saudi people and the country's leadership.

ChristineM said:

I wonder how his parents feel about right wing xenopobes using the precious memory of their son as a political weapon of hate rather peace?

And you should realise by now that no one watches your proselytizing videos


And i wonder why you always put "this man" rather than "this Far right extreme activist. EDL and BNP fascist party buddy and fascist Liberty gb member"

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I believe they put up a memorial at the scene of the crime but it kept being vandalised.

Lee Rigby's unofficial memorial has been taken down for looking 'unsightly'

Lest we forget.

sooda said:

You mean Rev 21:8??

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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I mean Revelation 19:20. When was Titus and his father thrown into the "lake of burning sulfur"?

Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

sooda said:

Most people don't know that.. The Bush administration claimed they were saving KSA.. Pure BS, but how would you know?

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I suppose the Bush administration was claiming they were saving Kuwait as well. Apparently, KSA was part of the coalition to stop the Iraqis. Such good friends should not kill each other.