A New Dark Age For Europe

sooda · Mar 31, 2019

Landon Caeli said:
But John the Baptist was a prophet himself. So his Baptism of Jesus was not a continuation of something earlier, as prophets are considered "messengers" from God.

Jesus declared John a prophet in Matthew 11:9-11

Yes and he was something else too . Let me see if I can find it.

sooda · Mar 31, 2019

Landon Caeli said:
But John the Baptist was a prophet himself. So his Baptism of Jesus was not a continuation of something earlier, as prophets are considered "messengers" from God.

Jesus declared John a prophet in Matthew 11:9-11

John the Baptist was a Nazarite, a Jew and an itinerant preacher. Among the Nazarites were Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist. Jesus seems to have thought he was Elijah or like Elijah.

"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" wasn't used n baptism until the 2nd Century.

The baptism of John was the "mikveh", a ritualistic bath which was a common "rite" in Jewish worship. However, in the case of the baptism of John, he was applying the mikveh in a particular sense: a sense of conversion TO Judaism. When one becomes a Jew (even today, in Orthodox Judaism), one has his head shaved and his fingernails and toenails closely cut - as if one is a baby again; and one is immersed into the mikveh (the ritualistic bath) so as to emerge and be "reborn" as a Jew. This is exactly what John was doing as the precursor to the Messiah.

shmogie · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
More irony, considering your whole involvement in the thread seems built around the central idea that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to express their beliefs.

Irony ? You mean your imagination. I have never said they shouldn´t be allowed to say whatever they choose.

You make up things to ***** about, no wonder I don´t care about your opinion on anything, including this.

You tell porkies

shmogie · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
How ironic.

LOL, you have learned a new word.

Faithofchristian · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Are those cherries for a pie or what? Here's a few more you might like to consider;

No, God cannot and does not lie.
Numbers 23:19
God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent.

2 Samuel 7:28
And now, O Lord GOD, thou [art] that God, and thy words be true, and thou hast promised this goodness unto thy servant:

Psalm 119:160
Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Hebrews 6:18
That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Yes, God lies by proxy; He sends prophets or lying spirits to deceive.
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.

Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

It seems your the one that's doing the cherry picking.
Had you back up and found out what the subject and Article is about.
You would haved found, that the Lord didn't deceive no one.
But deceived themselves.

No more than what your doing, You pick out a verse here and there, not knowing what the Subject and Article is about.

So by doing that, your the one that's also being deceived.

As for Jeremiah 20:7--"O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me"

Had you backup to Verses 4-6, you would have found that Pashur was deceiving himself.
4 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will make thee a terror to thyself, and to all thy friends: and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and thine eyes shall behold it: and I will give all Judah into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall carry them captive into Babylon, and shall slay them with the sword"

Here in Verse 4,
1--Sword, What is that sword, what does a sword represents in the bible ?
2-- what does Babylon represents?
3-- what does it mean Captive, What does Captive mean?

5 Moreover I will deliver all the strength of this city, and all the labours thereof, and all the precious things thereof, and all the treasures of the kings of Judah will I give into the hand of their enemies, which shall spoil them, and take them, and carry them to Babylon"

Who are the Labour's ?
What does it mean to Spoil them?

6 And thou, Pashur, and all that dwell in thine house shall go into captivity: and thou shalt come to Babylon, and there thou shalt die, and shalt be buried there, thou, and all thy friends, to whom thou hast prophesied lies.

What does it mean, shall go into Captivity?
Note it was Pashur that prophesied lies.
Therefore Pashur deceived himself by his own prophecy.

But as it is, you do like alot people do.
Cherry pick verses and then go about trying to build a whole mountain off of them.
But I'm a little wiser than that, knowing to start at the beginning of the chapter and found out what the subject and Article is about first.

shmogie · Mar 31, 2019

sooda said:
John the Baptist was a Nazarite, a Jew and an itinerant preacher. Among the Nazarites were Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist. Jesus seems to have thought he was Elijah or like Elijah.

"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" wasn't used n baptism until the 2nd Century.

The baptism of John was the "mikveh", a ritualistic bath which was a common "rite" in Jewish worship. However, in the case of the baptism of John, he was applying the mikveh in a particular sense: a sense of conversion TO Judaism. When one becomes a Jew (even today, in Orthodox Judaism), one has his head shaved and his fingernails and toenails closely cut - as if one is a baby again; and one is immersed into the mikveh (the ritualistic bath) so as to emerge and be "reborn" as a Jew. This is exactly what John was doing as the precursor to the Messiah.

Wrong, you have no proof for your assertion re the names under which one is baptized a Christian. Especially since the Gospels were written in the first century.

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 31, 2019

shmogie said:
Irony ? You mean your imagination. I have never said they shouldn´t be allowed to say whatever they choose.

You make up things to ***** about, no wonder I don´t care about your opinion on anything, including this.

You tell porkies

It's all you've said throughout the thread. I don't have to lie, your words are in front of everyone. Don't spend an entire thread railing against Muslims "failing to assimilate" or telling people what their beliefs are and then say "oh, but I never said they should be denied free speech". You may fool yourself with such blatant imply then deny games, but to everyone else you're transparent as glass.

sooda · Mar 31, 2019

shmogie said:
Wrong, you have no proof for your assertion re the names under which one is baptized a Christian. Especially since the Gospels were written in the first century.

John the Baptist wasn't a Christian.. He was a Jew and he did NOT baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

What are you talking about?

sooda · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
It's all you've said throughout the thread. I don't have to lie, your words are in front of everyone. Don't spend an entire thread railing against Muslims "failing to assimilate" or telling people what their beliefs are and then say "oh, but I never said they should be denied free speech". You may fool yourself with such blatant imply then deny games, but to everyone else you're transparent as glass.

Quite true and he has very little knowledge of Islam to begin with.

shmogie · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
Support your own arguments.

Or don't. I don't mind. But I'm not doing your homework for you, and I'm happy to assume that when you don't provide sources for your claims, it's because you can't.

I provided a source. Itś not my problem that you don´t know how to google a it. More likely you won´t, because your cherished narrative will be rocked.

You assume much when you think it is to your advantage you know the old adage, it makes an *** out of you.

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 31, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
It seems your the one that's doing the cherry picking.
Had you back up and found out what the subject and Article is about.
You would haved found, that the Lord didn't deceive no one.
But deceived themselves.

No more than what your doing, You pick out a verse here and there, not knowing what the Subject and Article is about.

So by doing that, your the one that's also being deceived.

As for Jeremiah 20:7--"O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me"

Had you backup to Verses 4-6, you would have found that Pashur was deceiving himself.
4 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will make thee a terror to thyself, and to all thy friends: and they shall fall by the sword of their enemies, and thine eyes shall behold it: and I will give all Judah into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall carry them captive into Babylon, and shall slay them with the sword"

Here in Verse 4,
1--Sword, What is that sword, what does a sword represents in the bible ?
2-- what does Babylon represents?
3-- what does it mean Captive, What does Captive mean?

5 Moreover I will deliver all the strength of this city, and all the labours thereof, and all the precious things thereof, and all the treasures of the kings of Judah will I give into the hand of their enemies, which shall spoil them, and take them, and carry them to Babylon"

Who are the Labour's ?
What does it mean to Spoil them?

6 And thou, Pashur, and all that dwell in thine house shall go into captivity: and thou shalt come to Babylon, and there thou shalt die, and shalt be buried there, thou, and all thy friends, to whom thou hast prophesied lies.

What does it mean, shall go into Captivity?
Note it was Pashur that prophesied lies.
Therefore Pashur deceived himself by his own prophecy.

But as it is, you do like alot people do.
Cherry pick verses and then go about trying to build a whole mountain off of them.
But I'm a little wiser than that, knowing to start at the beginning of the chapter and found out what the subject and Article is about first.

So you can explain what the Bible REALLY means when it says questionable stuff, but when Muslims try to explain what their holy book means when it says something questionable, you know better. Understood. Double standard confirmed.

2ndpillar · Mar 31, 2019

sooda said:
Lying is not permitted except in three cases: (1) a man’s speaking to his wife to make her happy; (2) lying at times of war; (3) and lying in order to reconcile between people.

Your problem is that Muslims seem to be always at war, or in a process of negotiating in bad faith with their enemies, and often having multiple wives. When do they have time to tell the truth?

Islam’s holy war strategy (jihad), is to conquer the world. It is a war that is kept secret by means of lying/subterfuge. The day of the false prophets is coming to an end, not with a whimper, but with a fire, smoke, and sulfur. That includes the false prophet Paul. We are approaching the final time of the valley of Jezreel/Har-Magedon (Hosea 1:11), where the crazy man Jehu defeated the king of Israel and the king of Judah, and slaughtered the witches, and the idol followers.(2 kings 10:1-11) Apparently, according to this rumor, Jehu had orange hair.

shmogie · Mar 31, 2019

sooda said:
John the Baptist wasn't a Christian.. He was a Jew and he did NOT baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

What are you talking about?

Well, he recognized Christ as The Messiah, so tell me, would he not follow Him ?

You are the one who stated baptism in the Christian way didn´t begin till the second century, I was pointing out that it began in the first century.

sooda · Mar 31, 2019

2ndpillar said:
Your problem is that Muslims seem to be always at war, or in a process of negotiating in bad faith with their enemies, and often having multiple wives. When do they have time to tell the truth?

Islam’s holy war strategy (jihad), is to conquer the world. It is a war that is kept secret by means of lying/subterfuge. The day of the false prophets is coming to an end, not with a whimper, but with a fire, smoke, and sulfur. That includes the false prophet Paul. We are approaching the final time of the valley of Jezreel/Har-Magedon (Hosea 1:11), where the crazy man Jehu defeated the king of Israel and the king of Judah, and slaughtered the witches, and the idol followers.(2 kings 10:1-11) Apparently, according to this rumor, Jehu had orange hair.

The tribulation was over in 70 AD after Paul's death.

You are criminally ignorant about Islam and should be ashamed of spreading lies and hatred.

Faithofchristian · Mar 31, 2019

ChristineM said:
I am assuming from your screen name that you are christian.

You do, as a christian realise that when jesus said "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." He didnt put a clause in saying "except muslims and other neighbours you dont like" dont you?

But first, Who would be my Neighbour.
What does a Neighbour represents in the bible.
Muslims are not my Neighbour,
Had you any idea or clue who a
Neighbour is.

For say, a person goes to a church every Sunday, but that person is not a member of that church, thats a neighbour.
But when that person joins that church, then they become a brother/sister
And are no longer considered a neighbour,
But a brother/sister.

A Neighbour is someone who goes to a church, but are not a member of the church, that's a neighbour.
Maybe you should study out what a neighbour is, before you say anything.

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 31, 2019

shmogie said:
I provided a source. Itś not my problem that you don´t know how to google a it. More likely you won´t, because your cherished narrative will be rocked.

You assume much when you think it is to your advantage you know the old adage, it makes an *** out of you.

"Everything you ever said is wrong. Just google it. If you don't google it it's only because you know your cherished narrative will be rocked." That's how silly you sound.

I'm also dying to know what you think my "cherrished narrative" is?

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 31, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
But first, Who would be my Neighbour.
What does a Neighbour represents in the bible.
Muslims are not my Neighbour,
Had you any idea or clue who a
Neighbour is.

For say, a person goes to a church every Sunday, but that person is not a member of that church, thats a neighbour.
But when that person joins that church, then they become a brother/sister
And are no longer considered a neighbour,
But a brother/sister.

A Neighbour is someone who goes to a church, but are not a member of the church, that's a neighbour.
Maybe you should study out what a neighbour is, before you say anything.

... Wow.

Wow. I think that's the worst misunderstanding of Christ's message I have ever seen.

You really need to go back to your Sunday school and demand a refund.

Faithofchristian · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
So you can explain what the Bible REALLY means when it says questionable stuff, but when Muslims try to explain what their holy book means when it says something questionable, you know better. Understood. Double standard confirmed.

Nope not at all, just that before proceeding, find out what the subject and Article is about first.
As for the muslims Qu'ran it's evidence from the beginning of the chapter and verse what the subject and Article is about.
Allah as being the best of deceivers.

Faithofchristian · Mar 31, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
... wow.

Well it's evidence that you didn't know or have a clue or idea what a Neighbour represents.
Throughout the bible

Kangaroo Feathers · Mar 31, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
Well it's evidence that you didn't know or have a clue or idea what a Neighbour represents.
Throughout the bible

Luke 10:29-37.

Read it.

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