Is This the Greatest Love

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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I'd agree.

Love doesn't require one way worship

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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That would be an aquarium.

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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What we can learn from the Bible is that God Himself sent forth His Son, and Not Himself
- John 3:34; John 5:24; John 5:30; John 5:37; John 6:29; John 6:38-40; John 6:44; John 7:16; John 16:5 ; John 17:21

Altfish said:

Love doesn't require one way worship

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I find at John 4:23-24 that Jesus directed as to who to worship.
However, as far as 'love' goes, Jesus gave a New commandment about love at John 13:34-35 which is to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self.

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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Its..IT! of itself, to become realized.

URAVIP2ME said:

What we can learn from the Bible is that God Himself sent forth His Son, and Not Himself
- John 3:34; John 5:24; John 5:30; John 5:37; John 6:29; John 6:38-40; John 6:44; John 7:16; John 16:5 ; John 17:21

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and yet you forget,

there was nothing made that wasn't made of it from john 1:3


John 1:3 KJV All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


things are created within him this is why the word is with God and not without from john 1:1

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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sounds like that dogmatic verse....
God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son as ransom

but that Guy did speak.....
No greater love can there be, than he who lays down his life for his fellowman

Now speaking boldly of myself....

if I enter heaven and find not my beloved.....
I will ask the lending of a sword
and go look for her
for heaven is not fulfilling without such love

and she had better not be harmed when I find her

Fool said:

That god so loved the world, its creation, that it sent forth of itself to become realized?

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As Christians we believe this love is realized through Jesus.

URAVIP2ME said:

However, as far as 'love' goes, Jesus gave a New commandment about love at John 13:34-35 which is to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has. In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self.

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And we see examples of this in places where we don't expect to find it as in the 'Hunger Games' trilogy.

In the novels God is absolutely absent from the mind and speech of the characters who are subjected to cruelties which those in power subject them to. But yet there is the will to give the gift of self exemplified by Rue, the little girl in the trees who helps Katniss and asks her to sing a song to her before she dies. a self-less gift. As if in imitation of the mockingjays that echo the last song, the rest of the tale tries to mount a kind of response to the presence of gift in the narrative. Katniss cannot make a repayment, but she can give a gift in return. Was God absent from the Hunger Games, or was the only face he could show in that desolate environ was the spark that lit when Katniss took her sister's place, and when Rue gave all to help Katniss. The announcement of Christ can resonate in this environment if we focus upon the witness of charity as gift of self freely given.

excerpts from article by Bishop Daniel Flores

LOVE is the greatest.

Fool said:

and yet you forget,
there was nothing made that wasn't made of it from john 1:3
John 1:3 KJV All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
things are created within him this is why the word is with God and not without from john 1:1

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No, I did Not forget because Genesis 1:26 already leads us that pre-human Jesus was involved with creation.
God does Not fit the description found at Colossians 1:15.
Kind of like God being in the creation business (Revelation 4:11) and God decides to take in His Son.
That is why Revelation 3:14; 1:5 refers to pre-human Jesus as being the beginning of the creation by God.
God had No beginning, so Jesus was Not before the beginning as his God was before the beginning.
Thus, John 1:1 is in harmony with Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B because the same Greek grammar rule applies at both verses.
It was the KJV which added the letter 'a' at Acts and omitted the letter 'a' at John.
So, God's first heavenly creation was ' with ' Him from the beginning of creation.
And the resurrected Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.

URAVIP2ME said:

No, I did Not forget because Genesis 1:26 already leads us that pre-human Jesus was involved with creation.

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no, there is no prehuman jesus. jesus is a human. there was supposedly a human born to mary and joseph that they called jesus. there was no human born to god in genesis 1:26 called jesus. if anything it was called adam; which in this case is a reference to a race and not an individual

adam strongs H120 is mankind. strong's H121 is the name of an individual person, a proper name and not just a noun.

URAVIP2ME said:

God does Not fit the description found at Colossians 1:15.

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paul isn't jesus; nor is jesus paul. i was speaking of jesus vs the father's name. i didn't expound anything about paul's ranting



jesus isn't prehuman anymore than you, or anyone else is prehuman. jesus' Spirit, like your spirit is prehuman.


the spirit comes from God and returns to god; so then all is god and god's. it is humans that do not recognize what is god and what is god's. it is this ignorance of god and god's that causes sin in man. it is this sin of ignorance, that causes the person, the ego to be blind to the obvious vs its self-aggrandizing, promotion of it's self and assigning god a place otherwise, and assigning to god what is and isn't god's.

jesus was begotten of god. was part of god's creation. jesus did not beget god. god is without father, without mother, without beginning, or without end.