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The implications of "no collusion"

9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?
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Maybe they were more worried about Hillary's hostile rhetoric towards Russia. It made some people worried that she wanted to start a war with Russia.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Maybe just helping to foment that kind
of divisive chaos we are experiencing was
motive and achievement enough. Look at
how weak and feckless Britain looks now,
with their political divide.

The USA has never sought to defeat / destroy
Russia, nor the Islamists. It cant be done
anyway, but they can be kept off balance,
disrupted.

Russian cannot defeat the USA, but look what
a few guys with computers can do.

If someone wanted to get all the Americans to
fighting and distrusting eachother, wasting their
time and resources, well, they sure succeeded.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Stevicus said:
Maybe they were more worried about Hillary's hostile rhetoric towards Russia. It made some people worried that she wanted to start a war with Russia.
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INasmuchas a war with Russia or any nuclear power is
considered to be, probably is suicidal, that is a pretty
ridiculous worry. Any way, it was Reagan and Trump
who wuz gonna blow up the world, coz the are
Republicans.

Hillary start war is about the remotest of the negatives
one could anticipate from her.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?
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How about the implications of the reasons for, and
everything that was done and said in the quest for this "collusion" chimera?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Audie said:
If someone wanted to get all the Americans to
fighting and distrusting each other, wasting their
time and resources, well, they sure succeeded.
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Ironically, it was the Democrats who were most useful,
since their hostile reaction was key to this scheme.
Didn't Lenin have a quote about this?
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Maybe they were just bored and saw a way to make a lot of gullible people believe that Trump was an operative of the now defunct KGB...
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
BSM1 said:
Maybe they were just bored and saw a way to make a lot of gullible people believe that Trump was an operative of the now defunct KGB...
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I'd considered the motive of pure entertainment, but discarded it.
But it certainly did play out all schadenfreude, eh.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
Ironically, it was the Democrats who were most useful,
since their hostile reaction was key to this scheme.
Didn't Lenin have a quote about this?
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I think a fake dossier is somehow involved in this.

It may be that turn about is fair play, and there are
indications that this is how it is going to be, now
it is time to go after the democrats / FBI for their
role in concocting this whole thing.

If that is what is going on, it may be a sign it is
time to go back to Hong Kong.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
The one part that makes me suspicious is the bi-partisan agreement in the House to let the information go public was unilaterally denied by McConnell in the Senate. Win/Lose/Draw, I think it should be something the American people should be able to see.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Quetzal said:
The one part that makes me suspicious is the bi-partisan agreement in the House to let the information go public was unilaterally denied by the McConnell in the Senate. Win/Lose/Draw, I think it should be something the American people should be able to see.
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I expect there will be people on both sides of the
aisle that will be wishing none of this ever came up.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Kangaroo Feathers said:
And if there was no collusion, why is Donny Dollhands so beholden to Putin?
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I thought about that too, The Russians probably have some type of Michael jackson/Wicked Uncle Ernie "fiddling about" type video Kompromat on Mueller so Mueller decided to cook the books on the investigation and make it appear that there was no evidence of collusion but left it open for discussion so it wasn't so obvious and once again the meddling Russians have caused division and discord in the U.S.

Joy Reid says she smells a cover up:
MSNBC's Joy Reid on Mueller Report: It Feels Like The Seeds Of A Cover-Up Are Here | Video | RealClearPolitics

Rachael Maddow almost cried on air, she spent the last two years pushing the Trump collusion story week after week yet those Russian jerks are probably laughing knowing it's all true:
WATCH: Rachel Maddow Nearly Breaks Down In Tears Over Mueller Report | Daily Wire
 
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shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Kangaroo Feathers said:
And if there was no collusion, why is Donny Dollhands so beholden to Putin?
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Beholden to Putin ? Really ? He has given Ukraine air defense and ground defense missiles, something the Russians were apoplectic about.Russians.

He withdrew from the SALT treaty, which upset the Russians greatly.

In Venezuela, he has supported the opposition to Putins supported president. The Russians don´t like that .

There have been serious incidents between US and Russian aircraft, and the Russians have created incidents with US naval ships in the Caspian sea, which the Russians consider their territorial waters.

Trump has put US troops and Armor right on the Russian border in Poland, something osama bin obama and other presidents did not do, as the Russians did not want them there.

US Russian relations are at their most strained since the cold war, primarily because Trump has been more aggressive toward the Russians than any president since the cold war.

If these are actions by someone who is beholden to Putin, then God help him if Trump stops being beholden to him.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Stanyon said:
I thought about that too, The Russians probably have some type of Michael jackson/Wicked Uncle Ernie "fiddling about" type video Kompromat on Mueller so Mueller decided to cook the books on the investigation and make it appear that there was no evidence of collusion but left it open for discussion so it wasn't so obvious and once again the meddling Russians have caused division and discord in the U.S.

Joy Reid says she smells a cover up:
MSNBC's Joy Reid on Mueller Report: It Feels Like The Seeds Of A Cover-Up Are Here | Video | RealClearPolitics

Rachael Maddow almost cried on air, she spent the last two years pushing the Trump collusion story week after week yet those Russian jerks are probably laughing knowing it's all true:
WATCH: Rachel Maddow Nearly Breaks Down In Tears Over Mueller Report | Daily Wire
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Terrible things happen when you believe your own lies.

Mueller was the democrat knight in shining armor, and they were on the warpath thinking that Trump would fire him, ditto for Rosenstein.

Both declared there was no evidence of collusion, they did not buy into the democrat lies, now they are evil, wicked, mean and nasty.

Seeing the democrats exposed for what they have been for 50 years is good entertainment, I would like to see more of them break down in tears, pass the popcorn. Hillary is next, a REAL investigation into her should be riveting.
 
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