reflection in a mirror

dfnj · Mar 24, 2019

SalixIncendium said:
One sees this "paradoxical" imagery because one is seeing one's own reflection on the reflective surface of the cornea, and the black backdrop of the pupil enhances the reflection.

Nothing strange or unusual about it.

Just like there's nothing strange about any matter or energy existing all all. You would think by the law of conservation of energy only nothingness would exist. Why is my way of thinking is delusional or nothing strange yet your way of thinking makes perfect sense. I think you are ignoring facts and experiences that are on in line with your existing prejudice. I think the Universe has a certain insanity with how it behaves. Strange loops are big part of the strangeness. It's too bad you are so closed minded. Just because we have mathematical equations with regards to how mirrors and reflection behaves, it still takes nothing away from the subjective judgment that it is really amazing how nature behaves.

You think objective reality is mundane. I find subjective experiences of reality to be divine. We just have different subjective conclusions.

exchemist · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
When you look in to a mirror, is it your self you see? or who is the person in the mirror?
Question is related to the post about ego.

No, I see some guy about 15 years older than I am.

Vinayaka · Mar 24, 2019

exchemist said:
No, I see some guy about 15 years older than I am.

And the SOB has less hair than me.

Sky Rivers · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
When you look in to a mirror, is it your self you see? or who is the person in the mirror?
Question is related to the post about ego.

A part of me.

blü 2 · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
is the physical wold actually real? or is it our mind that create it from our thoughts?

First, yes, there's something actually there. You are indeed descended from your parents, there is indeed air from outside you in your lungs, and you get your food, water, shelter, society, employment and net sites from outside you too.

Second, we perceive the external world through our senses, not least the classical five. And our brains have evolved to monitor the sensory input for relevance, especially but not only relevance to survival and to breeding. And we interpret the sensory input and where relevant react to it. Interpretation may vary from person to person, whether due to sensory acuity, experience, education, mental state &c, but reality is out there for us to examine and interpret.

Amanaki said:
Example is when we sit in deep meditation and experience that the world around us and the body disapear.

But as any onlooker will tell you, the body doesn't disappear. The feeling of detachment from the sensory body is (in this case) an induced mental state, not more than that. You can check it by setting a loud alarm clock to go off during your next meditation.

Spirit of Light · Mar 24, 2019

blü 2 said:
First, yes, there's something actually there. You are indeed descended from your parents, there is indeed air from outside you in your lungs, and you get your food, water, shelter, society, employment and net sites from outside you too.

Second, we perceive the external world through our senses, not least the classical five. And our brains have evolved to monitor the sensory input for relevance, especially but not only relevance to survival and to breeding. And we interpret the sensory input and where relevant react to it. Interpretation may vary from person to person, whether due to sensory acuity, experience, education, mental state &c, but reality is out there for us to examine and interpret.
But as any onlooker will tell you, the body doesn't disappear. The feeling of detachment from the sensory body is (in this case) an induced mental state, not more than that. You can check it by setting a loud alarm clock to go off during your next meditation.

I have done that experiment with clock, and no i do not hear it, because in deep meditation the 5 senses are turned off. in meditation on the 4 jhanas there are less and less that attach to the physical world. and in my experience even the breath is almost gone, But i have still some areas i have not touched in the meditation

blü 2 · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
I have done that experiment with clock, and no i do not hear it, because in deep meditation the 5 senses are turned off. in meditation on the 4 jhanas there are less and less that attach to the physical world. and in my experience even the breath is almost gone, But i have still some areas i have not touched in the meditation

Interesting. But did any onlooker observe that your body disappeared? It was still there, just as solid, wasn't it?

Spirit of Light · Mar 24, 2019

blü 2 said:
Interesting. But did any onlooker observe that your body disappeared? It was still there, just as solid, wasn't it?

My Fianceè has witness it one time. But as i answer to someone else in the forum i have no evidence today i can show, but i will try record some meditations later and if it does happen i can post it, but honestly i do not know if it will work. Never recorded my self meditating before

Brickjectivity · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
When you look in to a mirror, is it your self you see? or who is the person in the mirror?
Question is related to the post about ego.

I see a story about a man.

Polymath257 · Mar 24, 2019

dfnj said:
If you look into the black part you will see a reflection of your own face. And in the eye of that reflection is another face. It becomes like two opposing mirrors in a strange loop of endless feedback.

Strange loops are funny things. They make the mind awaken to new possibilities.

The next sentence is true.
The previous sentence is false.

The experience of paradox in semantics transcends normal modes of consciousness. Have you ever thought about what your brain is doing between thoughts? Reflections in the semantic mirror are the most profound.

Nothing special about the eye itself in this. Take any two mirrors and put them face to face and you get the same 'infinite room' effect.

Windwalker · Mar 24, 2019

Polymath257 said:
Well, the light is not created in our brains. it exists and carries information. Our brains *interpret* the light that our eyes pick up. But they do that whether there is a mirror or not. We *never* see anything except via the light reflected from it that goes into our eyes.

Once it interprets the data, it then creates a mental image which we hold to be the truth of the thing perceived. So yes, what you see in the mirror is an image of self created by the brain through interpretation.

Polymath257 · Mar 24, 2019

Windwalker said:
Once it interprets the data, it then creates a mental image which we hold to be the truth of the thing perceived. So yes, what you see in the mirror is an image of self created by the brain through interpretation.

Just like what it does when we see light reflected from a face.

blü 2 · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
My Fianceè has witness it one time. But as i answer to someone else in the forum i have no evidence today i can show, but i will try record some meditations later and if it does happen i can post it, but honestly i do not know if it will work. Never recorded my self meditating before

A video of you meditating and vanishing? Wow, I'll look forward to that. My word I will!

Windwalker · Mar 24, 2019

Polymath257 said:
Just like what it does when we see light reflected from a face.

The important part I think you may be missing here is that it's not just identification of the image, "who" it is, but rather the deeper reality of being human which is "who is this person that is me I'm looking at"? That's a creation of meaning-making, and that is not just "light reflecting from a face". It's considerably deeper than that. If all it meant to be "me", is "not you", or not a cat, or a horse, then life would be rather dull.

Workman · Mar 24, 2019

Amanaki said:
When you look in to a mirror, is it your self you see? or who is the person in the mirror?
Question is related to the post about ego.

Looking in the mirror is very strange, we see only what we choose to see, good or bad. You see a person when you look in the mirror that no one sees but you. Other people see a person when they look at you, but your not that person, either. We only see what we want to see, we only hear what we want to hear, our belief system is just like a mirror that only shows us what we believe. But also mirrors can lie, They don’t show you what’s inside which can mislead you into someone else. If your working out in front of a mirror and watching your muscles grow, your ego has reached a point where it is now eating itself. That’s why I believe there should be a psychiatrist at every health club, so that when they see you doing this, they will take you away for a little chat. And this is where monkeys are superior to men in this; when a monkey looks into a mirror, he sees a monkey!..lol

Spirit of Light · Mar 25, 2019

blü 2 said:
A video of you meditating and vanishing? Wow, I'll look forward to that. My word I will!

As i said i do not know if it can be done, but i am willing to try

Jumi · Mar 25, 2019

I see an exterior layer of my body. That's not much.

Polymath257 · Mar 25, 2019

Windwalker said:
The important part I think you may be missing here is that it's not just identification of the image, "who" it is, but rather the deeper reality of being human which is "who is this person that is me I'm looking at"? That's a creation of meaning-making, and that is not just "light reflecting from a face". It's considerably deeper than that. If all it meant to be "me", is "not you", or not a cat, or a horse, then life would be rather dull.

Funny, I just see my reflected face, my reflected hair, etc. I don't identify the image in the mirror as anything other than a reflected image.

If I want to think about who I am, I don't have to look in the mirror; I can just look within.

Spirit of Light · Mar 25, 2019

Polymath257 said:
Funny, I just see my reflected face, my reflected hair, etc. I don't identify the image in the mirror as anything other than a reflected image.

If I want to think about who I am, I don't have to look in the mirror; I can just look within.

Yes, and to look within is to see the true being, the image of you in the mirror is just that, a relfection of what you portray as in this life. it is not the real you.

The real you can only be experienced from within

Polymath257 · Mar 25, 2019

Amanaki said:
Yes, and to look within is to see the true being, the image of you in the mirror is just that, a relfection of what you portray as in this life. it is not the real you.

The real you can only be experienced from within

But reality can only be experienced from without. To me, it is incredibly egotistic to think we can determine ultimate understanding by only looking at ourselves. We are only one small part of the larger whole.

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