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Are there any Muslims here that support apostasy should be punished?

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
I noticed there are quite a few Islamic users in these forum, so I was curious if any believed in punishment, like the death penalty, for apostasy? It seems like 25 Muslim countries support the death penalty or extreme punishment for apostasy under Sharia law Laws Criminalizing Apostasy.
However, I noticed this line of thinking was not only constricted to these countries. As I recall, a survey was done fairly recently in the UK to determine what Muslims thought of the apostasy death punishment concept. Over 30% of the younger generation though it was acceptable.

So, does anyone here think apostasy should be punishable?
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I noticed there are quite a few Islamic users in these forum, so I was curious if any believed in punishment, like the death penalty, for apostasy? It seems like 25 Muslim countries support the death penalty or extreme punishment for apostasy under Sharia law Laws Criminalizing Apostasy.
However, I noticed this line of thinking was not only constricted to these countries. As I recall, a survey was done fairly recently in the UK to determine what Muslims thought of the apostasy death punishment concept. Over 30% of the younger generation though it was acceptable.

So, does anyone here think apostasy should be punishable?

You are an Atheist, what concern is that of yours?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I noticed there are quite a few Islamic users in these forum, so I was curious if any believed in punishment, like the death penalty, for apostasy? It seems like 25 Muslim countries support the death penalty or extreme punishment for apostasy under Sharia law Laws Criminalizing Apostasy.
However, I noticed this line of thinking was not only constricted to these countries. As I recall, a survey was done fairly recently in the UK to determine what Muslims thought of the apostasy death punishment concept. Over 30% of the younger generation though it was acceptable.

So, does anyone here think apostasy should be punishable?

25 countries?

In Islam apostacy means treason.. To commit a crime that betrays the faith and the community.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Lol, I care about human life in general. For me, holding an ideology does not take precedence over someone's life but apparently to some people it does.

Do you believe apostasy should be punished by people?

A problem is that true apostasy is ultimately in the eyes of God and man's view is imperfect.

The risk is having someone who is an apostate and not knowing it trying to judge another. You might have someone who has 'idols of the heart' with many caricatures of God who can't discern what is or what isn't a caricature of God

I prefer to elevate individual conscience and respect that and associated freedoms to a large extent
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
25 countries?

In Islam apostacy means treason.. To commit a crime that betrays the faith and the community.


I think a further complication may be that someone is lt if born in some counties becomes automatically some religion and leaving it is apostate?

Freedom of worship and conscience is better. Man is imperfect and conscience is imperfect but I think its a better choice.
 

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
I prefer to elevate individual conscience and respect that and associated freedoms to a large extent

Sorry, I replied before you had a chance to edit.

I'll interpret this comment as you don't believe human beings should punish apostasy.
Thank you.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I think a further complication may be that someone is lt if born in some counties becomes automatically some religion and leaving it is apostate?

Freedom of worship and conscience is better. Man is imperfect and conscience is imperfect but I think its a better choice.

It has to be loud and public enough to cause your brothers to stumble.. Read the laws of the different countries at his link.
 

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
Did you read the link you posted and click on each country?
I checked quite a few and other websites. Not everything is related to apostasy. Some crimes are for blasphemy. However, quite a few have harsh punishments for apostasy, including death or life imprisonment.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I checked quite a few and other websites. Not everything is related to apostasy. Some crimes are for blasphemy. However, quite a few have harsh punishments for apostasy, including death or life imprisonment.

Did you read the website YOU linked?

In most countries apostacy is tacked on the verdict with the conviction of some awful crime.. like murder or rape or grand larceny . It means you have betrayed the faith and the community.

For instance Bernie Madoff would have gotten the death penalty instead of 300 years.
 

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
In most countries apostacy is tacked on the verdict with the conviction of some awful crime.

Can you cite that please?

For instance Bernie Madoff would have gotten the death penalty instead of 300 years.

I'm not sure who this person is and how it's related to apostasy. Can you cite anything for his case that's related to apostacy?
 

charlie sc

Well-Known Member
Did you read the link you posted and click on each country?

So, my personal initial response to your replies was horror that I misread the link I gave while skimming it. I read it in slightly more detail this time and I don't see how the link I gave deters my OP question.

After looking at your responses, I noticed you seem to be foaming at the mouth and yearning rip apart my flesh with your teeth in whatever attempted defence you're trying to muster. I'll show what I mean -

In Islam apostacy means treason.. To commit a crime that betrays the faith and the community.
Here you seem to be agreeing that apostasy is sever. Sever enough to warrant punishment.

Did you read the link you posted and click on each country?
Did you read the website YOU linked?

Here you question that I even know about the link I posted as though it denies my initial question. However, you do not show where I am wrong in the link. The point of the question is whether people thought apostasy should be punished or not. If people think it's a crime then may take extrajudicial action as stated here in Mauritania

"A young Mauritanian journalist was arrested for apostasy on January 2, 2014, for having posted a text online that was seen as blasphemous.[50] This case has generated a public outcry. Protesters called for the man’s execution, a local businessman declared that he was willing to pay a reward to anyone who killed the journalist,[51] and even the National Human Rights Commission of Mauritania condemned the writings that triggered the arrest.[52]"

It has to be loud and public enough to cause your brothers to stumble.. Read the laws of the different countries at his link.
In most countries apostacy is tacked on the verdict with the conviction of some awful crime.. like murder or rape or grand larceny It means you have betrayed the faith and the community.

For instance Bernie Madoff would have gotten the death penalty instead of 300 years

Then, you weirdly seem to defend apostasy by saying that, correct me if I'm wrong, it correlates with other offences or crimes.
First, I'd have to see if this is even true, which you gave no citation yet, and second, I'd be concerned how you would think punishing someone for one crime is sufficient enough to justify another alone. This is an extreme position to hold, because civilised nations usually try you on what you actually did not what you may have done.

I still await your reference.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Can you cite that please?

You don't know who Bernie Madoff is?

Huge swindler.. he would have been convicted of Sorcery and Apostacy.

I don't have a website for you, but I lived in Saudi Arabia a long, long time.

The Koran also says that you cannot know another man's heart. .. in the context of a Muslim could go to mosque every day and still not believe in God.

I'm not sure who this person is and how it's related to apostasy. Can you cite anything for his case that's related to apostacy?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
So, my personal initial response to your replies was horror that I misread the link I gave while skimming it. I read it in slightly more detail this time and I don't see how the link I gave deters my OP question.

After looking at your responses, I noticed you seem to be foaming at the mouth and yearning rip apart my flesh with your teeth in whatever attempted defence you're trying to muster. I'll show what I mean -


Here you seem to be agreeing that apostasy is sever. Sever enough to warrant punishment.




Here you question that I even know about the link I posted as though it denies my initial question. However, you do not show where I am wrong in the link. The point of the question is whether people thought apostasy should be punished or not. If people think it's a crime then may take extrajudicial action as stated here in Mauritania

"A young Mauritanian journalist was arrested for apostasy on January 2, 2014, for having posted a text online that was seen as blasphemous.[50] This case has generated a public outcry. Protesters called for the man’s execution, a local businessman declared that he was willing to pay a reward to anyone who killed the journalist,[51] and even the National Human Rights Commission of Mauritania condemned the writings that triggered the arrest.[52]"




Then, you weirdly seem to defend apostasy by saying that, correct me if I'm wrong, it correlates with other offences or crimes.
First, I'd have to see if this is even true, which you gave no citation yet, and second, I'd be concerned how you would think punishing someone for one crime is sufficient enough to justify another alone. This is an extreme position to hold, because civilised nations usually try you on what you actually did not what you may have done.

I still await your reference.

If you rape or murder or swindle, you betray the faith and the community which is "treason" aka apostacy.

I am certainly NOT foaming at the mouth. Most Americans have learned about Muslims and Islam over the internet since 9-11.

Muslim countries are NOT all the same.. nor is Sharia law the same from country to country.
 
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