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Decisive determination made on Golem Heights. It's Israel's as it stands with the US.

sooda

sooda

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pcarl said:
Israel is surrounded by countries that do no recognize its right to exist. Nothing has changed.
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In 2002 21 Arab states guaranteed Israel recognition, security as well as trade and diplomatic relations for peace.

Colonizing occupied territory is still ILLEGAL.

And Martin Van Cleveld is the expert.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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sooda said:
Colonizing occupied land is against the law.

You know the Israelis destroyed over 65 Druze villages in 1967 after Syria was no longer a threat.

The Druze are descended from Jethro of Midian, the priest and father of Mose's wife Zipporah.

They are descendants of Midian, one of Abraham’s sons by Keturah ( Genesis 25:1-4 ).
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You realize at times that parts of the Bible are mythological. Moses was one such character.

I have not checked into your claim about the villages that were destoryed, but the heights have been part of Israel for longer than they were part of Syria.

Golan Heights - Wikipedia

And I have think there should be some lasting cost to starting a war of aggression.
 
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pearl

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sooda said:
Colonizing occupied territory is still ILLEGAL.
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I agree. Israel ought to return all other occupied land, back to the '67 border, including all the settlements. But as long as there are the extremists on both sides Israel will be a target.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
sooda said:
Colonizing occupied land is against the law.

You know the Israelis destroyed over 65 Druze villages in 1967 after Syria was no longer a threat.

The Druze are descended from Jethro of Midian, the priest and father of Mose's wife Zipporah.

They are descendants of Midian, one of Abraham’s sons by Keturah ( Genesis 25:1-4 ).
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That's certainly the argument, the law is no good if it isn't enforced making it a clear concession given all the time that has passed since the Six-Day War.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

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pcarl said:
I agree. Israel ought to return all other occupied land, back to the '67 border, including all the settlements.
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Funny how people are okay with Judea and Samaria being Judenrein while Israel on the other hand has to accept all the Arabs that could possibly fit in.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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Nowhere Man said:
52 years so far, but yeah I suppose festering will continue regardless.
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This right here. While I know 45 means well and we are all hopeful this would be the end of it, I don't think it will be.
 
Shad

Shad

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Nowhere Man said:
Trump recognizes the high-ground reality in the Golan Heights

Sometimes issues just need to be settled once and for all and be done with it rather than to have it continue and fester for more decades to come.

It may not be popular with everyone but facts are facts.
Israel won. Syria lost. War works that way. That's how lines and territories are and have been drawn throughout history. It seems Trump is trying to put an end to this contention once and for all in light of the obvious. At least as far as the official US position goes.
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Illegal according to international law. No one will enforce those laws as the EU is weak, other nations do not care nor have the power to do anything about it.
 
sooda

sooda

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Flankerl said:
Funny how people are okay with Judea and Samaria being Judenrein while Israel on the other hand has to accept all the Arabs that could possibly fit in.
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The zionists we're refugees seeking sanctuary from European progroms. How do you feel about refugees?
 
sooda

sooda

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Subduction Zone said:
You realize at times that parts of the Bible are mythological. Moses was one such character.

I have not checked into your claim about the villages that were destoryed, but the heights have been part of Israel for longer than they were part of Syria.

Golan Heights - Wikipedia

And I have think there should be some lasting cost to starting a war of aggression.
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It was druze. They are descended from midians.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

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sooda said:
The zionists we're refugees seeking sanctuary from European progroms. How do you feel about refugees?
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Quite good. Israel integrated all refugees from Islamic countries even though it wasn't easy but with every day there are more intermarriages between the classic Jewish groups.

Too bad the Arabs didn't integrate their Arab refugees and chose to keep them as political pawns for all eternity.
 
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pearl

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Flankerl said:
Funny how people are okay with Judea and Samaria being Judenrein while Israel on the other hand has to accept all the Arabs that could possibly fit in.
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I made no reference to a 'right of return' which is not plausible. I am not familiar with Israel having to accept a certain number of Arabs. There was a time when both lived together in peace.
 
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GoodbyeDave

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Nowhere Man said:
Sometimes issues just need to be settled once and for all and be done with it rather than to have it continue and fester for more decades to come.
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So a declaration by the US president, made without consulting Congress, settles the matter? And what of the opinions of the rest of the world, all of which disagree?
 
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