chuck010342,
Yes and No! The part of the discussion where all the contradictions where exchanged was against my wishes and was mostly a useless waste. I engaged in it hoping to show The Truth, by example and first hand experience that such arguments had no affect on him, his faith, and his book and therefore would not affect me either. And as I you can see my engaging in it did not produce the desired effect, thus it was a waste and useless. As for the rest of the discussion, it was going in circles because my questions and points of argument were not being dealt with and answered. So even it was not as effective as I had hoped, but that may be do to the participants rather than due to the arguments. So I will try again.
If no Muslims want to answer my questions and address my points because of all the nonsense that just went on, I will just wait till another time and ask again. One thing is for certain The Truths list of contradictions did neither even though he still thinks they did.
Again, Yes and No, because it is not an effective way to reach and change hearts. That is my reason for avoiding the gotcha type of argumentation. Especially in the person on the receiving end of a gotcha it will not produce the desired result. Oh yes, others that share my point of view will agree with the obvious points of a gotcha but does the receiver and others of his point of view ever really see it. I have my doubts. So it only proves something to the unbeliever, the attacker. Do you see my point?
I am one that believes that people are just people, mostly alike rather than different, and that there are relatively few truly diabolical people and the rest are just misguided and that up till death there is always a hope. In addition, Jesus commanded that we follow a rule now called Golden. Did you like it when, if ever in the past, someone succeeded in nailing you with a gotcha? Not likely! And did it weaken your faith? Apparently not for here you are. So what did the gotcha accomplish? Nothing other than making you feel bad for a little while; so it was useless other than to break the rule and that really hurt the other person and not you.
The type of contradiction that is effective is one that is come to or arrived at in the heart of the other person. That type of contradiction must be cultivated and grown over time and not sprung on an individual.
That might be true of me also, only time will tell. But I try to look for the good and I try to remember what our people must have thought of Saul of Tarsus before he accepted the truth.
There is where we are different. My faith in what I belief, the history, the unity, the continuity, the fulfillments recognized, the acts of love demonstrated toward, and on and on will not allow it. (1 Corinthians 8:2) If anyone thinks he has acquired knowledge of something, he does not yet know [it] just as he ought to know [it]. We ignorant humans still do not know what we do not know! And, so far, God has consistently acted in a way that confounded the wisdom of man. So is there something in the Bible that is beyond my understanding, at least for now, and as I start to come to it might it have the appearance of a contradiction? It is a possibility. Be careful that you do not let man-made wisdom trip you up and keep you from seeing the truth. The law of non-contradiction is man-made wisdom.
As an example, please compare the following: (Matthew 19:26) With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. (Hebrews 6:18) . . .it is impossible for God to lie. . . (Titus 1:2) . . .which God, who cannot lie, promised. . . Let me warn you that even though God alone is capable of absolutes he has yet to exercise one or to act like it.
It is also that type of man-made wisdom that makes attackers think that what they do in their attacking is not their fault because the attacked did or did not do this or that or the other therefore it is the fault of the one being attacked rather than the attackers and so they are justified in attacking. Do you not see how useless that wisdom is? And we have seen a good display of it here in this thread. Oh yes, I too was just as guilty, but I will not allow it to happen any more.
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chuck010342 said:wait, your telling me what you just did was useless? Or maybe not I was confused by that statement.
Yes and No! The part of the discussion where all the contradictions where exchanged was against my wishes and was mostly a useless waste. I engaged in it hoping to show The Truth, by example and first hand experience that such arguments had no affect on him, his faith, and his book and therefore would not affect me either. And as I you can see my engaging in it did not produce the desired effect, thus it was a waste and useless. As for the rest of the discussion, it was going in circles because my questions and points of argument were not being dealt with and answered. So even it was not as effective as I had hoped, but that may be do to the participants rather than due to the arguments. So I will try again.
If no Muslims want to answer my questions and address my points because of all the nonsense that just went on, I will just wait till another time and ask again. One thing is for certain The Truths list of contradictions did neither even though he still thinks they did.
chuck010342 said:I would have to disagree with you. If you violate the law of non-countradiction then the statement cannot be true. What I was proposing was that sometimes a statement can seem countradictory but they can be resolved. The apparent countradiction can be resolved within in the Gospels that I gave but every single countradiction cannot be resolved. Its either this or that.
Again, Yes and No, because it is not an effective way to reach and change hearts. That is my reason for avoiding the gotcha type of argumentation. Especially in the person on the receiving end of a gotcha it will not produce the desired result. Oh yes, others that share my point of view will agree with the obvious points of a gotcha but does the receiver and others of his point of view ever really see it. I have my doubts. So it only proves something to the unbeliever, the attacker. Do you see my point?
I am one that believes that people are just people, mostly alike rather than different, and that there are relatively few truly diabolical people and the rest are just misguided and that up till death there is always a hope. In addition, Jesus commanded that we follow a rule now called Golden. Did you like it when, if ever in the past, someone succeeded in nailing you with a gotcha? Not likely! And did it weaken your faith? Apparently not for here you are. So what did the gotcha accomplish? Nothing other than making you feel bad for a little while; so it was useless other than to break the rule and that really hurt the other person and not you.
The type of contradiction that is effective is one that is come to or arrived at in the heart of the other person. That type of contradiction must be cultivated and grown over time and not sprung on an individual.
chuck010342 said:well you might change your opinion of my after you get to know me most people do.
That might be true of me also, only time will tell. But I try to look for the good and I try to remember what our people must have thought of Saul of Tarsus before he accepted the truth.
chuck010342 said:actually I would.
There is where we are different. My faith in what I belief, the history, the unity, the continuity, the fulfillments recognized, the acts of love demonstrated toward, and on and on will not allow it. (1 Corinthians 8:2) If anyone thinks he has acquired knowledge of something, he does not yet know [it] just as he ought to know [it]. We ignorant humans still do not know what we do not know! And, so far, God has consistently acted in a way that confounded the wisdom of man. So is there something in the Bible that is beyond my understanding, at least for now, and as I start to come to it might it have the appearance of a contradiction? It is a possibility. Be careful that you do not let man-made wisdom trip you up and keep you from seeing the truth. The law of non-contradiction is man-made wisdom.
As an example, please compare the following: (Matthew 19:26) With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. (Hebrews 6:18) . . .it is impossible for God to lie. . . (Titus 1:2) . . .which God, who cannot lie, promised. . . Let me warn you that even though God alone is capable of absolutes he has yet to exercise one or to act like it.
It is also that type of man-made wisdom that makes attackers think that what they do in their attacking is not their fault because the attacked did or did not do this or that or the other therefore it is the fault of the one being attacked rather than the attackers and so they are justified in attacking. Do you not see how useless that wisdom is? And we have seen a good display of it here in this thread. Oh yes, I too was just as guilty, but I will not allow it to happen any more.
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