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Why Does Everyone Have to Reject the Messiah?

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Given you more explanation than many have received, and you're not interested in studying in detail - Like saying most fail at accepting the Messiah, as they're not exegetical enough.

In my opinion. :innocent:
You've given me explanation about Strongs index, and I appreaciate it - I learned something.

But I originally asked about these patterns that you claim exist, what they are, what they mean and what can supposedly be concluded about them.
You're not answering that. You're just repeating your claim that there are patterns.

What patterns?

You also said you're using software. What software? What does it do?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What software? What does it do?
The software is Esword Bible software, it is free.

It allows you to systematically understand the Bible in contexts like computer code, rather than only reading it like a historical book.
What patterns?
Depends on what we want to understand, every prophecy has additional context through paraphrasing; so the only way to see the lines in the tapestry, is to use a system to see the interlinking of all threading.

So for a good example in Zechariah 11:2 talks about Cedars H730 Falling H5307; we then search the rest of the text for H730 H5307, and it comes up with these additional results (Isaiah 9:10, Jeremiah 22:7), defining additional contexts.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Isaiah 34 is the Ravenous Beings like 'Vultures Gathered' (Luke 17:20-37) around the dead body of Christ, these are removed at judgement day.
I see, so the verses Revelation 16:6 you previously provided along with your statement didn't say that but other verses say that. Thanks for the clarify.

It is Isaiah 28:9-21 Bed of Adultery that we find in Revelation 2:22, those who are in it are removed by the Tribulation.

The Holy Fire of God will cleanse humanity within the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 24).

The Archangel relating the message is most likely the Messiah based on contexts.
I see, that's what you find and thanks for the explain.

Worthy is an awful wording, 'accountable' for defiling the Law is far better.
Revelation 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

I see, the verses you provide have an awful wording, maybe you should provide non-awful wording translation version of verses next time.

The book doesn't become fact, it is fact some people are evil, and don't even see it.
Why is it not fact? You don't remember what you say previously?

Here it is:
My question is: Because scripture exists, and people who follow it exist, therefor it prove that the scripture is fact?
Your answer is: Yes.


By using your logic, i asked that:
So if some annonymous person write a religious book saying that the earth is flat, the earth is only 5000 years old...etc, and because those books exists and people who follow it exist, therefor it prove that the book is fact?

Again, if some other annonymous person write another religious book saying that the earth is triangular, the earth is only 1 year old, the moon is made of cheese and billions of invisible flying elephant is flying all over the world...etc, and because those books exists and people who follow it exist, therefor it prove that the book is fact?
Seriously?


And now you say that despite those books exists and people who follow it exist, it doesn't prove that the book is fact? You're confusing.

And what? Some people are evil? Who're they? They're evil in what way? I don't know what is your point of saying that, please clarify.

Yes you've managed to create what you perceive to be a null equation; as instead of fully understand my contexts, you're failing at setting me up.

There are people who understand the doctrine required... I'm talking advanced theologians with minds like Buddha, Lao Tzu, Yeshua, Krishna, etc.
I didn't set you up. If you think i do, please provide the evidence, thank you.

There is a level of musical frequencies required in a number of fields within the soul's matrix - the fire will leave those who get it, which is already calculated.

As for a list of who, that is up to the CPU (God).
How do you figure out there is a level of musical frequencies required in a number of fields within the soul's matrix and the fire will leave those who get it? How do you know it's already calculated?

So, do you know the complete list of who have fail and who haven't fail?

If we miss parts of context, we'll struggle with meaning... I've known since I was a child that I'm sent from Heaven.
I didn't know that since i didn't read the other thread you mention, thanks for clarify.

Believe contains a lie, knowing is subjective, and showing is objective.
Believe contains a lie?
So people are lying when they say they believe God exists?

I see... that's a very odd concept i can't understand.

There is always an element of doubt with a belief.
Not necessarily, because when people believe without doubt then there is no doubt in their belief.

Because Zanda is the last (Z) and (A) first, it is part of the transcendental sound of Ananda which created infinity in Hinduism, in many cultures Zan is found in deities names...

Zeus could be pronounced Zan.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Thanks for the conversation.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
So we can understand here is down near Hell, and people are evil in many ways, without them consciously seeing their own wickedness (Zechariah 5)...

We can understand that Yeshua set a Snare in the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-21), and placed the Curse (Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26) on the world until his return...

Where then the Holy Fire will remove the Rephaim (demons) and Nephilim (fallen ones) from this reality (Isaiah 17:4-6)...

Thus this explains why regardless of what the Messiah says, no one will accept him (Luke 7:25) until after the land is cleansed (Luke 7:30).

In my opinion. :innocent:

Damascus prophecy:

“Isaiah 17 predicted the destruction of the city, along with the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel… Damascus was captured by Assyrians in 732 BC and the northern kingdom of Israel fell when the capital city of Samaria was captured by the Assyrians in 722 BC.”
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Damascus prophecy:
That is reading scripture like a historian; the timeline is established by contexts within the sentence structure...

The descriptions have far more potential to the Harvest of mankind, than just a a partial fulfillment due to a name reference.

Isaiah 17:10 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation, and have not remembered the rock of your strength. Therefore you plant pleasant plants, and set out foreign seedlings.

This says, "they've rejected my divine being who saves us... Same is found in Deuteronomy 32:15, that they've rejected the Salvation from God (Yeshua).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That is reading scripture like a historian; the timeline is established by contexts within the sentence structure...

The descriptions have far more potential to the Harvest of mankind, than just a a partial fulfillment due to a name reference.

Isaiah 17:10 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation, and have not remembered the rock of your strength. Therefore you plant pleasant plants, and set out foreign seedlings.

This says, "they've rejected my divine being who saves us... Same is found in Deuteronomy 32:15, that they've rejected the Salvation from God (Yeshua).

In my opinion. :innocent:

It already happened.. You see that's how the PAST works.

Damascus was captured by Assyrians in 732 BC and the northern kingdom of Israel fell when the capital city of Samaria was captured by the Assyrians in 722 BC.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Over the centuries, "the man of sin" has been variously identified as Attila the Hun, Napoleon, the Pope, Martin Luther, Mohammed, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt, Henry Kissinger; and Mikhail Gorbachev.

Virtually every unpopular public figure has qualified. Obviously, this tradition has proven totally inept at identifying Paul's "man of sin"

Unfortunately, it's a tradition that has not died. For a number of scriptural and historical reasons, the identity of Paul's "man of sin" should not be arbitrarily lifted out of its 1st. century context.

Futurism was a political invention..
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
maybe you should provide non-awful wording translation version of verses next time.
This gets tricky, as I've edited texts before from a known standard version, people complain.
How do you figure out there is a level of musical frequencies required in a number of fields within the soul's matrix and the fire will leave those who get it? How do you know it's already calculated?
Because I've seen the results of the type of soul's in vision at 3, 15, 22, years old, then spent years analyzing people.
So, do you know the complete list of who have fail and who haven't fail?
The CPU has the list, and we can access it when we reach infinite consciousness.
So people are lying when they say they believe God exists?
If through experience we can acquire knowledge of real miracles, and strange coincidences, and through efficient study, we can prove the CPU's infinite interactions globally in the texts, by things going outside of a linear timeline...

Then why believe in something you know, and then why is there a question, on something we can show.
And now you say that despite those books exists and people who follow it exist, it doesn't prove that the book is fact? You're confusing.

And what? Some people are evil? Who're they? They're evil in what way?
Like keep it to a more simple question:

The Bible is an evil book, which claims those who follow it, will prove they're evil by the fact they don't realize the hypocrisy (Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, Isaiah 29:9-14) down here near Hell...

Do many people blindly follow the Bible like vultures after the dead flesh of Christ, and don't read any of the small print?

Does this then prove we're down near Hell, as some souls can not identify morality; even when it is explained, they overwrite them bits of the book?

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
This gets tricky, as I've edited texts before from a known standard version, people complain.

Because I've seen the results of the type of soul's in vision at 3, 15, 22, years old, then spent years analyzing people.

The CPU has the list, and we can access it when we reach infinite consciousness.

If through experience we can acquire knowledge of real miracles, and strange coincidences, and through efficient study, we can prove the CPU's infinite interactions globally in the texts, by things going outside of a linear timeline...

Then why believe in something you know, and then why is there a question, on something we can show.
Thanks for explain.

Like keep it to a more simple question:

The Bible is an evil book, which claims those who follow it, will prove they're evil by the fact they don't realize the hypocrisy (Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, Isaiah 29:9-14) down here near Hell...

Do many people blindly follow the Bible like vultures after the dead flesh of Christ, and don't read any of the small print?

Does this then prove we're down near Hell, as some souls can not identify morality; even when it is explained, they overwrite them bits of the book?

In my opinion. :innocent:
I don't know the answer of your questions since i'm not a believer.

Thanks for the conversation, i'm done with this discussion, goodbye.
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
So we can understand here is down near Hell, and people are evil in many ways, without them consciously seeing their own wickedness (Zechariah 5)...

We can understand that Yeshua set a Snare in the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-21), and placed the Curse (Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26) on the world until his return...

Where then the Holy Fire will remove the Rephaim (demons) and Nephilim (fallen ones) from this reality (Isaiah 17:4-6)...

Thus this explains why regardless of what the Messiah says, no one will accept him (Luke 7:25) until after the land is cleansed (Luke 7:30).

In my opinion. :innocent:

Who should accept the Messiah, and why?
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Because the Messiah is the realities king in the Messianic age, and those who don't accept are not welcome.

In my opinion. :innocent:

So everyone should accept the Messiah? And what are the implications of not being welcome in the Messianic Age?
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
RE: Why Does Everyone Have to Reject the Messiah?

Well, you can't have a leader if there are no followers. We have 7.5 billion messiah/prophets on the planet right now!

So we can understand here is down near Hell, and people are evil in many ways, without them consciously seeing their own wickedness (Zechariah 5)...

We can understand that Yeshua set a Snare in the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-21), and placed the Curse (Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26) on the world until his return...

Where then the Holy Fire will remove the Rephaim (demons) and Nephilim (fallen ones) from this reality (Isaiah 17:4-6)...

Thus this explains why regardless of what the Messiah says, no one will accept him (Luke 7:25) until after the land is cleansed (Luke 7:30).

In my opinion. :innocent:

I happen to be an expert on Hell given that I live in New Jersey. I'm not sure if the problem is "no one will accept him" or his teachings. All I know is hubris is always followed by nemesis. With regards to relationship, if you ignore the golden rule women will hunt you down and kill you.

 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
The Messiah isn't only a Jewish concept; there is a similar character that exists in all of the world's religions in someway.

Everyone's reality.

In my opinion. :innocent:

In all of the world's religions? There's a fair few religions in the world, are you claiming that this character exists in every single religion in the world?

So your argument is that everyone's reality is the same?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
There's a fair few religions in the world, are you claiming that this character exists in every single religion in the world?
Sorry shouldn't have said 'all' - edited it.

Most of the major religions have a Messiah figure who comes to warn mankind before the end of time.

Since some religions have made the Messiah into a savoir (Vishnu), rather than the destroyer (Shiva), most people down here near Hell are confused.
So your argument is that everyone's reality is the same?
Reality is made from multiple dimension quantum physics, it is being revised soon, and many who are here in this current system, will not fit into the more mathematically precise version.

Everyone views reality slightly differently, and this is part of the problem, many don't want to fit in harmonically with the true realities mathematics.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Well, you can't have a leader if there are no followers. We have 7.5 billion messiah/prophets on the planet right now!
After the Tribulation there will be those who have the spirit of God upon their forehead, and all the Ravenous Beings shall be gone.

The Tribulation is the 7 Seals, Trumpets, & Bowls in Revelation... This is the Destruction of our earth in WW3 soon, and then our Reality is reset.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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