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The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Ahh no. Read the book of Galatians. The Abraamic Covenant includes 'gentiles'.


Judaism has a sort of a different idea, however even then, its only sort of different, because there are Israelite non jews, ie in Xianity that is included with 'gentiles', the greek word itself is somewhat vague, the English word even vaguer.

What I presented is the generally accepted version of what a Gentile is,
ie a non Jew. It gets blurry around the edges of course.
Not sure of the foolish Galatians, but Paul spoke of the Gentiles as being
the new Israel and new Jew. It's symbolic language.
There's a warning about the foolish Galatians imitating Jewish worship
(presumably) with holy days, sacred sites, sacred vestments, earthly
sanctuary etc.. This use of the word is to call such apostates "Jews."
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
What I presented is the generally accepted version of what a Gentile is,
ie a non Jew. It gets blurry around the edges of course.
Not sure of the foolish Galatians, but Paul spoke of the Gentiles as being
the new Israel and new Jew. It's symbolic language.
There's a warning about the foolish Galatians imitating Jewish worship
(presumably) with holy days, sacred sites, sacred vestments, earthly
sanctuary etc.. This use of the word is to call such apostates "Jews."
It seems clear to me that Saul wasn't aware that Genesis 17 in standard canonized Bibles, was going to contradict, his history references.

This really would, what Paul is talking about, make 'gentiles' a word that includes Abraamic Covenant.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)

B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)

C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)

D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)

E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.

F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.

G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?

H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.

J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.

L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).

M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.

N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.

O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.

P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.

R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.

S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).

T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).

U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.

V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.

W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
mile for a city.

X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.

Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28

Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

From the Dossier of Reason

These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.


Why would you expect geography before the flood the exactly match geography after the flood?

"River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:11) "2:13)
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Why would you expect geography before the flood the exactly match geography after the flood?

"River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:11) "2:13)

There was no global flood.

A flood myth or deluge myth is a narrative in which a great flood, usually sent by a deity or deities, destroys civilization, often in an act of divine retribution.

Parallels are often drawn between the flood waters of these myths and the primeval waters found in certain creation myths, as the flood waters are described as a measure for the cleansing of humanity, in preparation for rebirth.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Had you any idea, that over 3000 or 5000 years ago, the land mass of the earth does change over time.

In alot of deserts there has been found sea shells in the deserts and mountains in the deserts. So this shows how the land mass of the earth does change over a period of 5000 years.

So from Abraham's time which is about 5000 years ago that land mass of the earth did alot changing over the period of time.

And the land mass of the earth is still changing even to day, in our time.

Earthquakes and volcanoes all change the land mass of the earth.

Meteorites that hits the earth changes the land mass of the earth.

Such as one Meteorite which hit, what is now called in the United States New Mexico, the Meteorite which hit there was about 5 miles across, which was dated to be about a Million .Years ago, which change the whole area and else where the land mass of the earth.
Even the ice age changed the land mass of the earth.
So now what was back there 5000 years ago at the time of Abraham, the land mass of the earth went thru changes.

So it's not the same area as it once was.

So what your saying is a land Marsh, wasn't the same 5000 years ago, as the land mass of the goes thru changes over time.

So to where do you come by as Abraham as being a Arab?
When it is written that Abraham is a Hebrew.
Genesis 14:13--"13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram"

There it is Abram the Hebrew.
God changed Abraham's name to Abram.

The Middle Eastern landscape hasn't changed in 10,000 years.

The people who wrote the flood myth say it was the spring of 2900 BC

Abraham was not a Jew, There were no Jews. Abraham was a "friend of God"

If he came from Ur, he was a Marsh Arab.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The Middle Eastern landscape hasn't changed in 10,000 years.

The people who wrote the flood myth say it was the spring of 2900 BC

Abraham was not a Jew, There were no Jews. Abraham was a "friend of God"

If he came from Ur, he was a Marsh Arab.

Let me repeat this for you once again young fellow.

1. Although the flood story as handed down from Noah to his descendant Abraham, may have been a local event around Ireland and the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and as far inland to the Euphrates and beyond, it would have been recorded as an event which had flooded their entire known world.

The people of the pre-flood days would not have known that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, nor would they have known how many continents and islands there are on this earth. Their known world was limited to the civilised world of those days.

According to the Septuagint, it was almost 900 years after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of Lot, believed that of every man in the world, their father was the sole survivor, and for the salvation of the human race they deemed it necessary to fall pregnant to their father.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground, upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.

According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some Egyptologists, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced throughout the Middle East, and perhaps Egypt was desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also. I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era, as a world-wide flood.

Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur, in the land of Sumaria..

The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was, according to the erroneous Roman OT, 58 when Noah died, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Let me repeat this for you once again young fellow.

1. Although the flood story as handed down from Noah to his descendant Abraham, may have been a local event around Ireland and the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and as far inland to the Euphrates and beyond, it would have been recorded as an event which had flooded their entire known world.

The people of the pre-flood days would not have known that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, nor would they have known how many continents and islands there are on this earth. Their known world was limited to the civilised world of those days.

According to the Septuagint, it was almost 900 years after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of Lot, believed that of every man in the world, their father was the sole survivor, and for the salvation of the human race they deemed it necessary to fall pregnant to their father.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground, upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.

According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some Egyptologists, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced throughout the Middle East, and perhaps Egypt was desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also. I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era, as a world-wide flood.

Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur, in the land of Sumaria..

The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was, according to the erroneous Roman OT, 58 when Noah died, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years.

First, I am a grandmother.

There was NO Ur of the Chaldeans in Abraham's time. If he came from the Chaldea, he was a Marsh Arab.

The Flood was 150 miles wide and 350 miles long heading south to the Persian Gulf. It didn't cover any mountains because the Tigris and Euphrates river basin if relatively flat.

The Bible says eretz was flooded which means land NOT earth.. Eretz is used over and over again in the same context.. For instance, there was famine in the eretz…

Terah couldn't have been a high priest in the temple.. There was NO Temple in the Chaldea.

Lifespans in the ancient world were just like they are now.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
First, I am a grandmother.

There was NO Ur of the Chaldeans in Abraham's time. If he came from the Chaldea, he was a Marsh Arab.

The Flood was 150 miles wide and 350 miles long heading south to the Persian Gulf. It didn't cover any mountains because the Tigris and Euphrates river basin if relatively flat.

The Bible says eretz was flooded which means land NOT earth.. Eretz is used over and over again in the same context.. For instance, there was famine in the eretz…

Terah couldn't have been a high priest in the temple.. There was NO Temple in the Chaldea.

Lifespans in the ancient world were just like they are now.

Well you just keep believing that Gandma, because no one who has studied the Holy scriptures and has read from the book of Jubilees Chapter 12, will.

And BTW, I'm a great-great-grand father.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well you just keep believing that Gandma, because no one who has studied the Holy scriptures and has read from the book of Jubilees Chapter 12, will.

And BTW, I'm a great-great-grand father.

The Book of Jubilees was probably written in the 2nd century BC. Its an account of Biblical history of the world from creation to Moses. It is NOT proof that there was a global flood.. Too many ancient sites have NO evidence of flood sediment.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

Code of Hammurabi - Wikipedia

One of the best known laws from Hammurabi's code was:

Ex. Law #196: "If a man destroy the eye of another man, they shall destroy his eye. If one break a man's bone, they shall break his bone. If one destroy the eye of a freeman or break the bone of a freeman he shall pay one gold mina. If one destroy the eye of a man's slave or break a bone of a man's slave he shall pay one-half his price."

And the same wording appears in:

Exodus 21:24; Lev. 24:20; Deut. 19:21 - which is basically the eye for an eye thing.

How did this happen?
Well, Moses had free WiFi
and copied Law#196
moseswifi-300x225.jpg

Seriously....this law was mentioned by God to Noah
after the floodwaters receded

Genesis 9:1-6 New International Version (NIV)
Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;

for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

---------------------
and that is the basis for the Code of Hammurabi
of the ancient Babylonian Empire which happen to have
a flood story: Gilgamesh flood myth - Wikipedia
a bootlegged, pirated version of the Noah's original version

utnapishtim.jpg
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The Book of Jubilees was probably written in the 2nd century BC. Its an account of Biblical history of the world from creation to Moses. It is NOT proof that there was a global flood.. Too many ancient sites have NO evidence of flood sediment.

Yea! Righto. And who would believe someone who said that the books of Moses, (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers etc,) were written while the Israelites were in captivity in Babylon, when we know that Solomon's temple in which the sacred scrolls were kept, was created 470 years, six months and ten days, before the Israelites were taken captive.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Yea! Righto. And who would believe someone who said that the books of Moses, (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers etc,) were written while the Israelites were in captivity in Babylon, when we know that Solomon's temple in which the sacred scrolls were kept, was created 470 years, six months and ten days, before the Israelites were taken captive.

Nope. Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus were written after Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

The Babylonians were sophisticated and prosperous.. The Hebrews were impressed by the need to have a narrative of their own history and origins.

The fact of a small temple doesn't mean they had the Pentateuch yet.
 
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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

Seti I: Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet. Stricken from every pylon and obelisk of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.

The Ten Commandments (1956 film) - Wikiquote

Seriously....

It is not a wonder why the Pharaohs during the time of Moses were pissed off
and had every record of his existence removed from their records
Remembering Moses and the Israelites would force them to remember the plagues
God sent to Egypt.


Egyptian records are subject for edits and deletions - and it is not strange that even women who served as pharaohs were deleted.

The truth behind Egypt’s female pharaohs and their power

You stress that, though these women were allowed to rule, their power “was a short-term illusion.” They were usually erased from the historical record, too, weren’t they? Why was that?

The women were placeholders for a much larger scheme of power that is dependent on masculinity. They were there to make sure the next male in line could step into the power circle. Simple biology helps us understand that it’s harder for a woman to be at the center of the circle. She can only have one, maybe two children a year. Whereas, a man can produce hundreds of children, without all the hormonal changes and the vulnerability it produces. So, she is there at a moment of crisis to protect the patriarchy when something goes wrong with the succession from man to man. As soon as it can go back to the patriarchal system, she is removed. Five of the six women in this book were called King. But that doesn’t mean that they won’t be erased a few generations later when it’s expedient for the men to remove them from the story, and claim that success outright for themselves.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Let me repeat this for you once again young fellow.

1. Although the flood story as handed down from Noah to his descendant Abraham, may have been a local event around Ireland and the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and as far inland to the Euphrates and beyond, it would have been recorded as an event which had flooded their entire known world.

The people of the pre-flood days would not have known that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, nor would they have known how many continents and islands there are on this earth. Their known world was limited to the civilised world of those days.

According to the Septuagint, it was almost 900 years after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of Lot, believed that of every man in the world, their father was the sole survivor, and for the salvation of the human race they deemed it necessary to fall pregnant to their father.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground, upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.

The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.

According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some Egyptologists, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced throughout the Middle East, and perhaps Egypt was desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also. I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era, as a world-wide flood.

Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.

The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.

Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.

He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”

It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur, in the land of Sumaria..

The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was, according to the erroneous Roman OT, 58 when Noah died, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”

The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.

These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years.


Have you ever been forced to confront the
fact that such a flood would leave considerable
evidence, and, there isnt any?

That a world wide flood would have floated
Antarctica's ice away, but it is still there?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What I presented is the generally accepted version of what a Gentile is,
ie a non Jew. It gets blurry around the edges of course.

Not sure of the foolish Galatians, but Paul spoke of the Gentiles as being the new Israel and new Jew. It's symbolic language.

There's a warning about the foolish Galatians imitating Jewish worship
(presumably) with holy days, sacred sites, sacred vestments, earthly
sanctuary etc.. This use of the word is to call such apostates "Jews."

Galatians 2:15

We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Seti I: Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet. Stricken from every pylon and obelisk of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.

The Ten Commandments (1956 film) - Wikiquote

Seriously....

It is not a wonder why the Pharaohs during the time of Moses were pissed off
and had every record of his existence removed from their records
Remembering Moses and the Israelites would force them to remember the plagues
God sent to Egypt.


Egyptian records are subject for edits and deletions - and it is not strange that even women who served as pharaohs were deleted.

The truth behind Egypt’s female pharaohs and their power

You stress that, though these women were allowed to rule, their power “was a short-term illusion.” They were usually erased from the historical record, too, weren’t they? Why was that?

The women were placeholders for a much larger scheme of power that is dependent on masculinity. They were there to make sure the next male in line could step into the power circle. Simple biology helps us understand that it’s harder for a woman to be at the center of the circle. She can only have one, maybe two children a year. Whereas, a man can produce hundreds of children, without all the hormonal changes and the vulnerability it produces. So, she is there at a moment of crisis to protect the patriarchy when something goes wrong with the succession from man to man. As soon as it can go back to the patriarchal system, she is removed. Five of the six women in this book were called King. But that doesn’t mean that they won’t be erased a few generations later when it’s expedient for the men to remove them from the story, and claim that success outright for themselves.

The population of Egypt was only about 4-5 million back then.. If 2 million slaves left with their herds, someone would have noticed.

Further, what happened to them that 40 years later the population of Jerusalem was less than 2,000 people?

You are quoting from a 1956 MOVIE...
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

See this is a no brainer?
Sometimes people make allegations of this and that and turns out to be a dud
This deals with the order of writings of the OT

OT_Hebrew_Order.jpg

As we can see, the first book of the Bible is Genesis
Followed by Exodus
Then Leviticus
And the bible verse in contention is in Numbers

When was the Sabbath as law ordered?

Exodus 16:23 New International Version (NIV)
He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

Exodus 31:14 New International Version (NIV)
“‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.

The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Numbers 15:32-34

Which came first Exodus or Numbers???
So what would Trump say on these things?

 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
The population of Egypt was only about 4-5 million back then.. If 2 million slaves left with their herds, someone would have noticed.

Further, what happened to them that 40 years later the population of Jerusalem was less than 2,000 people?

You are quoting from a 1956 MOVIE...

Who said the population of Egypt was 4-5 million?
Why did Moses face Pharaoh?
What was the purpose of why God sent the plagues?


Why did the Israelites wander in the desert for 40 years?
Maybe if you would read the Bible, you will find these answers.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Why would you expect geography before the flood the exactly match geography after the flood?

"River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:11) "2:13)

Why do you ecpect that there is zero evidence that anything
was changed by a world wide flood?
 
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