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Matthew 27:46 anyone figure this out yet?

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Matthew 27:46

Deity why have you forsaken, g- d why have you forsaken...

Context seems to be, yoheshua saying the deity has forsaken him, anyone figure this out?

Sort of contradicts the other verses.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Does it not stand to reason that if God did not leave his son at that moment, that he could not have died? He had been with him every moment up until that time....he had to let him go so that the ransom could be paid and all humanity could be released from sin. Three days later he raised him up.
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
Matthew 27:46

Deity why have you forsaken, g- d why have you forsaken...

Context seems to be, yoheshua saying the deity has forsaken him, anyone figure this out?

Sort of contradicts the other verses.
Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 as He was fulfilling the prophecy of His crucifixion. The scriptures also indicate that God cannot look upon sin, so as His Son bore the sins of the world, it is likely the Father turned away from His beloved Son and it was at this time that Jesus who was in the human flesh cried out...My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Matthew 27:46

Deity why have you forsaken, g- d why have you forsaken...

Context seems to be, yoheshua saying the deity has forsaken him, anyone figure this out?

Sort of contradicts the other verses.

Just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, 'THE SON OF MAN' develops within the great androgynous pregnant body of EVE=Mankind, and Just as each and everyone of us must pay the blood price for the sins of our flesh, and all have sinned, so too, 'THE SON OF MAN' is the only one who can pay the death penalty for the sins of the flesh in which he develops.

It was the savior of mankind, 'The Son of Man' who is the MOST HIGH In the creation, who descended from his most high point in time and filled the man Jesus with his spirit=words.

The Lord God our savior, 'The Son of Man' who is the only begotten son of God and equal to God in every way, said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to MY WORDS that the prophet speaks in my name.

It was the man Jesus, who the Lord chose as his heir and successor, on the day that Jesus was baptized, and the spirit of the Lord descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my son (My chosen heir and successor) TODAY I have begotten thee.

And it was through his obedient servant Jesus that the Lord revealed himself to us, and the awesome sacrifice that he makes for the body in which he develops.

When on the cross, Jesus cried out; "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me," and gave up the spirit, the Lord God our savior, who cannot die, ceased to be an individual entity, by releasing all the righteous spirits that had been gathered to him in his evolutionary ascent to very heights of time, and after three days, those saints, who were the risen body of Christ, went into the city and showed themselves to many.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Matthew 27:46

Deity why have you forsaken, g- d why have you forsaken...

Context seems to be, yoheshua saying the deity has forsaken him, anyone figure this out?

Sort of contradicts the other verses.

Matthew 27:46 New International Version (NIV)
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

I have figured this out a long time ago.
Jesus has a God.

and Jesus confirms this fact:

John 20:17 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

The Father is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ.
and the apostles confirms this fact in other verses of the bible

Romans 15:6 New International Version (NIV)
so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Not once but many times: 1 Peter 1:3; [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+1:3&version=NIV']Colossians 1:3; [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:17&version=NIV']Ephesians 1:17; [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:3&version=NIV']Ephesians 1:3; [URL='https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Corinthians+1:3&version=NIV']2 Corinthians 1:3; [/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Continued from post #6.

Matthew 27: 52, And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that slept arose. Verse 53, And came out of the graves three days later [On the day of the resurrection,] they went into the Holy city and appeared to many.

One would expect the risen body of the anointed one to appear to the family of Jesus first, and this is exactly what we see.

The first to see one of they, who were of the body of the risen Christ, the 365 day old unblemished Lamb, the sacrificial offering prepared for us by God, were his Mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas and her [Sister or daughter-in-law] Mary Magdalene, who, although looking straight at him, thought that he was the gardener, until he spoke her name.

The next to who one of the risen body of Christ appeared, were the carpenter ‘Cleophas’ who is also called Alpheas, and Simon/Simeon the half-brother of Jesus, who was to inherit the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision after his half-brother, 'James the righteous,' was killed at the instigation of the same Sadducee sect that had Jesus the full brother of James killed.

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some 11 kilometres to the small town of Emmaus, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread.

See John 20: 19 to 24; Cleophas then returned to Jerusalem, where the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, the only two of the twelve disciples by the name Simon, were cowering in a darkened room. The only one of the twelve who was absent that evening when Jesus appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, was Thomas Jude another half-brother of Jesus, the one who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else, perhaps one with who he shared a common father.

But back to Cleophas, who said to the disciples, who would have opened the door for him, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the son of Cleophas and half-brother to Jesus and the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by their brother Jesus.

It was then that a figure appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, the following week, Jesus appeared in the locked room, where this time, Thomas who was called the ‘TWIN’ was with the other disciples.

See John 21: 1 to 12; Then there were the seven disciples who were fishing on Lake Galilee having no success at all, when someone on the bank told them to throw their net on the right side of the boat in which they caught 153 fishes, later on while sitting down to eat with the person who had a fire prepared with fish on it and some bread, not one of the seven disciples of Jesus who had walked and talked with him, dared to ask who he was, but they understood that he was of the risen body of Christ. Even when he ascended up into heaven as a cloud, some of the 11 disciples doubted that it was he.

When Thomas called the ‘TWIN,’ finally saw the risen Jesus, he THOUGHT the he was his God, but Jesus ‘KNEW’ that, like his brothers, he was no more than a man. Admittedly a man chosen by the Lord and raised from death in order that He would be the heavenly head to the risen body of the anointed one, who are to take the thrones that are prepared for them and rule with Jesus as Kings for the thousand year Sabbath, as seen in Acts 17: 30-31; In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead.”

And it was Jesus, who according to the bible Knew that he was a human being, who said to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; Go to my brothers {Which included Thomas called the ‘TWIN.’] and say to them; “I am ascending to HIM who is my Father and who is your Father, to my God who is your God. Revealing to his brother Thomas Didymus Jude, that he was not the God that the one called the ‘TWIN” thought him to be.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
One analogy to help explain Matthew 27:46 is connected to Mr Spock of Star Trek. Spock is primarily Vulcan, but he also has a human side. His human side is mostly repressed, but it does appear every now and then; fascinating!

Jesus was the son of God but also the son of man; Mary. In a moment of pain and fear; near death, our human brain can no linger live outside the moment. Our perception of time and space speed up. The vision of one's life passing before your eyes is an example of time perception speeding up. This moment brings Jesus in contact with his human side. The God side of Jesus needed to experience the fate of man, first hand, to fully understand him.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I don't believe that God had forsaken him, it only felt to Jesus like He did at that moment. We (believers) all have moments like this even though we have faith. It is one of those moments that is both real and perhaps a metaphor for what we go through, as well. Jesus asks ''why have you forsaken me,'' because it feels like God did, at that time. Eventually, Jesus realizes that he wasn't forsaken at all. The resurrection is proof of this, I'd think.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 as He was fulfilling the prophecy of His crucifixion. The scriptures also indicate that God cannot look upon sin, so as His Son bore the sins of the world, it is likely the Father turned away from His beloved Son and it was at this time that Jesus who was in the human flesh cried out...My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?


And, as it was explained to me by a Southern Rabbi, it was customary at the time for Jews to quote just the start of a Psalm instead of reciting the entire thing (which could take some time).
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
One analogy to help explain Matthew 27:46 is connected to Mr Spock of Star Trek. Spock is primarily Vulcan, but he also has a human side. His human side is mostly repressed, but it does appear every now and then; fascinating!

Jesus was the son of God but also the son of man; Mary. In a moment of pain and fear; near death, our human brain can no linger live outside the moment. Our perception of time and space speed up. The vision of one's life passing before your eyes is an example of time perception speeding up. This moment brings Jesus in contact with his human side. The God side of Jesus needed to experience the fate of man, first hand, to fully understand him.

Jesus was 100% total human, born of Joseph and Mary the children of Heli, to different mothers
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Matthew 27:46

Deity why have you forsaken, g- d why have you forsaken...

Context seems to be, yoheshua saying the deity has forsaken him, anyone figure this out?

Sort of contradicts the other verses.
Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. Remember that God made Him to be sin who knew no sin. (2 Corinthians 5:21) So, this had to happen; so we could be forgiven. So, even though --yes-- Jesus was forsaken; it was for our sake and God did hear His prayer. (Psalm 22:24)
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 as He was fulfilling the prophecy of His crucifixion. The scriptures also indicate that God cannot look upon sin, so as His Son bore the sins of the world, it is likely the Father turned away from His beloved Son and it was at this time that Jesus who was in the human flesh cried out...My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?

You...understand, how this could be problematic? Like, yoheshua didn't know that was going to happen? Why not? It just...doesn't really match some other verses.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
And, as it was explained to me by a Southern Rabbi, it was customary at the time for Jews to quote just the start of a Psalm instead of reciting the entire thing (which could take some time).
There's a difference between quoting something, or some other meaning, and actually either saying this literally, or literally being forsaken.

It seems to me.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
You...understand, how this could be problematic? Like, yoheshua didn't know that was going to happen? Why not? It just...doesn't really match some other verses.
No, I don't see a problem. Certainly Jesus knew what was going on ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2).

What is the problem you see?
 
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