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The Lord's Name in Vain

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
problem when someone claims it exclusively in relationship to themselves vs another

I would have to say Yes to that one - the Lord belongs to all and all belong to the Lord - no one has exclusivity

Quoting again: I believe that was not intended just for the followers of the Sikh faith.....

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Christ if I know.
I find that is Not what Jesus said at John 17:6; John 17:26 but that Jesus declared his God's name.
So, " Hallowed be thy (God's) name " according to Jesus.
Hold his God's name as sacred/hallowed, and Not take his God's name in a vain or worthless way.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I find that is Not what Jesus said at John 17:6; John 17:26 but that Jesus declared his God's name.
So, " Hallowed be thy (God's) name " according to Jesus.
Hold his God's name as sacred/hallowed, and Not take his God's name in a vain or worthless way.

in isaiah 66, isaiah talks about it in relationship to other people.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?

Not in my estimation. "In vain" means "for no reason". In Hinduism, Vaishnavism anyway, we're actually encouraged to call on Gods' names, chant them, speak them, even if it's for no apparently valid reason. Because it is a valid reason... it keeps God in mind. We're encouraged to utter his names as we're dying for the very "selfish" reason of obtaining moksha at the time of death by remembering God's names.
 

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
I understand that to take the Lord's Name in vain means to use it for one's own purpose

But - waitaminute - is that not what the Lord is for? For us to use her name for our own purpose? Now what the purposes are can be debated over :)
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
But - waitaminute - is that not what the Lord is for? For us to use her name for our own purpose? Now what the purposes are can be debated over :)
I think that The Lord is for The Lord's will be done. But, indeed, the Lord's will is for the love of everyone, imo.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Not in my estimation. "In vain" means "for no reason". In Hinduism, Vaishnavism anyway, we're actually encouraged to call on Gods' names, chant them, speak them, even if it's for no apparently valid reason. Because it is a valid reason... it keeps God in mind. We're encouraged to utter his names as we're dying for the very "selfish" reason of obtaining moksha at the time of death by remembering God's names.


i'm speaking more to the idea of the Mahavakyas
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?


is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?


zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?

There is a great deal wrong with that in Christianity or Judaism for that matter.

If one takes on the name of God superficially or hypocritically they dishonor God.

How does one love God if God's name is not cherished in whatever form you use it?
 

Neuropteron

Active Member
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?
is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?
zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?


Some believe that God's name Jehovah should not be used.
However there is nothing in the Scriptures that supports that view.
God said not to take his name " in vain" or in a worthless way(depending on the translation used).

But that does not mean that we should not use the name. Rather, it means that servant of jehovah should not do things that discredit his name.

Ex 20:7 (part of the 10 commandments) "You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way"

Rather than being unspeakable as some think, the name was honored, loved, respected. It was used in naming places, and even in naming people.

Following are a few among well-known Bible names whose meanings involve Jehovah or Jah(shortened poetic form as in Hallelujah).

Joel means Jehovah is God.
Jonathan means Jehovah has given
Joshua means Jehovah is salvation
John means Jehovah has been gracious.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?

is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?

zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?

I do not believe that "Taking the Lord's name is vain" means saying goddamn or omg all the time.

I think this is a patent misunderstanding.

What it really means is stuff like:
  1. Putting God to the test ("If you really are God, you'll save me when I do something reckless")
  2. Claiming to speak for God when it is clear you don't because such is contrary to what God wants ("God told me I need to kill you people because dying in battle will get me to heaven.")
  3. Cheapening the name of God by using it in secular matters ("There is a God" when you get some crappy toy)
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?
is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?
zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?

If Jesus was God then he did not really die on the cross. Just saying.

My faith is in a God of unconditional love who uses His omnipotent powers of forgiveness to let everyone through the gates of Heaven to experience eternal heavenly bliss in spite of all our earthly sins or how badly we practiced our religion. The good news is everyone is just saved by showing up after dying. You don't have to pay the church for your absolution.

Besides, I live in New Jersey. There's only Heaven or reincarnation back to New Jersey.,
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
so brahman isn't a name?

No. Brahman isn't a being, it isn't a thing, it doesn't have characteristics, it's not God though it's oversimplified and erroneously equated with God. There's nothing "in vain" or "having no purpose" in saying the Mahāvākyas. They're statements of belief and philosophy.
 
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