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The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

sooda

Veteran Member
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)

B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)

C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)

D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)

E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.

F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.

G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?

H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.

J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.

L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).

M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.

N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.

O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.

P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.

R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.

S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).

T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).

U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.

V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.

W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
mile for a city.

X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.

Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28

Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

From the Dossier of Reason

These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Evidently you're unaware that these mistakes were put in the Bible by god so as to test the faith of the believer.

Although not a believer, you have been tested, failed, and subsequently will go directly to Hell. Do not pass GO and do not collect two hundred shekels.

.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)

B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)

C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)

D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)

E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.

F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.

G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?

H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.

J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.

L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).

M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.

N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.

O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.

P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.

R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.

S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).

T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).

U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.

V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.

W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
mile for a city.

X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.

Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28

Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

From the Dossier of Reason

These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.


It is perfectly fine to refer to an account with modern names in order for the hearers to understand the locations better

It is perfectly fine to refer to value of a transaction in an equivalent amount understood by the readers

Depends what 'crossing Nineva' means Traveling through Nineveh could means going through all the population areas not necessary going through the city on the shortest path

Liberal archeologists consider Jericho's fall pre Joshua but the preponderance of evidence is that it did fall when Joshua was there and contemporary with other noted citied from Joshua which fell soon after

note Bryant Wood on Jericho

also note the city of AI

 
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sooda

Veteran Member
It is perfectly fine to refer to an account with modern names in order for the hearers to understand the locations better

It is perfectly fine to refer to value of a transaction in an equivalent amount understood by the readers

Depends what 'crossing Nineva' means Traveling through Nineveh could means going through all the population areas not necessary going through the city on the shortest path

Liberal archeologists consider Jericho's fall pre Joshua but the preponderance of evidence is that it did fall when Joshua was there and contemporary with other noted citied from Joshua which fell soon after

note Bryant Wood on Jericho

also note the city of AI


Last count there were more than 9 Jerichos.. There just wasn't any Joshua. He's a national mythic hero like Paul Bunyan or John Henry.. Israel didn't have the population to raise a large army.

Meanwhile, Philistia and Palestina are different places.

The immigrants from Crete (the sea people) who settled there were called Philistines.

Philistia was where the Philistines lived (remember Samson?)

philistia.jpg
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)

B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)

C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)

D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)

E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.

F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.

G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?

H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.

J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.

L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).

M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.

N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.

O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.

P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.

R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.

S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).

T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).

U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.

V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.

W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
mile for a city.

X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.

Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28

Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

From the Dossier of Reason

These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.
The bible is not a history book, still less is it a science textbook. Only fools would take it to be either.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

I think you misunderstand what the Old and New Testaments are all about. The King James version of the bible is a collection of sixty-six (66) books written by different authors covering different periods of biblical history and God’s interactions with the Israelite people.

One can believe parts of it and not others.

It’s up to the reader to glen what one can from it.

At least that is how I see it; what about you?


:)-
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

I think you misunderstand what the Old and New Testaments are all about. The King James version of the bible is a collection of sixty-six (66) books written by different authors covering different periods of biblical history and God’s interactions with the Israelite people.

One can believe parts of it and not others.

It’s up to the reader to glen what one can from it.

At least that is how I see it; what about you?


:)-

Yes.. that's exactly how I see it.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

I think you misunderstand what the Old and New Testaments are all about. The King James version of the bible is a collection of sixty-six (66) books written by different authors covering different periods of biblical history and God’s interactions with the Israelite people.

One can believe parts of it and not others.

It’s up to the reader to glen what one can from it.

At least that is how I see it; what about you?


:)-
In which case, of course, all the bits you believe are right, and the rest wrong, and all the bits somebody else believes are right, and so on...meaning, in the end...well, actually not much of anything.

I fail to see why this is so hard for so many people to see...the Bible contains the writings of a lot of humans, ordinary, sometimes extraordinary, but human all the same, trying to make sense of the world in which they found themselves. Just like, actually, every other book of philosophy or belief ever written. In the absence of good science, and in the absence of competent history, and in the presence of a need to explain who we are right now, they are all totally reflective of the time in which they were written and in the context in which the were written, and in the character of those who wrote them.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)

B. The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)

C. Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)

D. Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)

E. Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.

F. Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.

G. The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?

H. No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.

I. Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.

J. Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.

K. Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.

L. Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).

M. Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.

N. Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.

O. The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.

P. The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.

Q. Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.

R. Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.

S. David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).

T. David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).

U. Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.

V. Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.

W. Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square
mile for a city.

X. Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.

Y. Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28

Z. Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in
NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.

The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more.

From the Dossier of Reason

These are just a few historical errors in the Bible.
These are mistakes, only to the literalists ; Those who treat bible as a literal history book. Take for instant, genesis 2:13. It is obviously symbolic. There are hidden meanings in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Eden. There is no Eden on earth geographically.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
These are mistakes, only to the literalists ; Those who treat bible as a literal history book. Take for instant, genesis 2:13. It is obviously symbolic. There are hidden meanings in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Eden. There is no Eden on earth geographically.

The Babylonians thought it was in Dilmun according to their myths... and according to thousands of cuneiform clay tablets.

ancient-Dilmun.jpg
 

Audie

Veteran Member
These are mistakes, only to the literalists ; Those who treat bible as a literal history book. Take for instant, genesis 2:13. It is obviously symbolic. There are hidden meanings in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Eden. There is no Eden on earth geographically.
These are mistakes, only to the literalists ; Those who treat bible as a literal history book. Take for instant, genesis 2:13. It is obviously symbolic. There are hidden meanings in the story of Adam and Eve, and the Eden. There is no Eden on earth geographically.

As mentioned before, everyone finds what
it suits them to believe in, and as a rule,
they get their interpretation via god's inspiration.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
The Babylonians thought it was in Dilmun according to their myths... and according to thousands of cuneiform clay tablets.

ancient-Dilmun.jpg
If the Babylonians thought it was literally a place, in my view, they were literalists.
I suggest, some of the lands or rivers are named after the biblical accounts, not the other way around.

But genesis 2:13 is not saying River Gihon flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia. It does not name Mesopotamia.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
If the Babylonians thought it was literally a place, in my view, they were literalists.
I suggest, some of the lands or rivers are named after the biblical accounts, not the other way around.

Dilmun or Bahrain has many, many sweetwater springs and during the Babylonian hayday they were the jumping off point for trade with the Indus Valley. Anyway, thousands of clay tablet have also been found in Bahrain that repeat the Babylonian stories and record the trade between the two.. business records.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Dilmun or Bahrain has many, many sweetwater springs and during the Babylonian hayday they were the jumping off point for trade with the Indus Valley. Anyway, thousands of clay tablet have also been found in Bahrain that repeat the Babylonian stories and record the trade between the two.. business records.
Ok,But genesis 2:13 is not saying River Gihon flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia. It does not name Mesopotamia.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Ok,But genesis 2:13 is not saying River Gihon flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia. It does not name Mesopotamia.

They didn't invent the Tigris and Euphrates or Wadi el Arish. of the other two .. Pison and Gihon. One has been identified as a dried up wadi from satellite images.. and the other ????

Ethiopia seems to have included Yemen in antiquity.

meregionmapriverover.gif
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
They didn't invent the Tigris and Euphrates or Wadi el Arish. of the other two .. Pison and Gihon. One has been identified as a dried up wadi from satellite images.. and the other ????

Ethiopia seems to have included Yemen in antiquity.

meregionmapriverover.gif

Ya, so, because the Bible does not really give a name, there is no proof, there is a mistake. Not withstanding that, it may very well be a figurative verse, and the Author of the Bible never meant it to be taken literally.
 
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