Buddha and Christ identical Beings

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
Why do you think, the recorded traditions about Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, all say they said 'i am the first and the last', if that is not what They actually have said? I guess, you think, other people made it up, and attributed an identical expression to each One of Them. It is hard for you to prove that. People who lived at the time and place of Jesus, were thousands of years and miles away from the Hindus, and you think somehow they made up myth with similar false story that Jesus and Krishna or Buddha said "I am 'first and last'!!!

Guru. I think you can do better than just picking on typo it is like, i pick on your time traveler spelling. . Are you trying to show that because I have typos, i am wrong about other things as well?

That was no typo. Very difficult to get 'grue' from 'guru'. Neither was incarnation for reincarnation. I strongly suggest you take a much deeper study of Hinduism before you start typing about drama, nooksha, Weeshknew, Sammysarah, or anything else.

Yes I think other people made it up. I'll ask again ...were you there? Are you a time traveller?

And I'll reiterate ... I don't believe in prophets or God manifesting as a human. I'm not a Vaishnavite. I seriously dobt if you know that though, or even what it might mean.

As for 'traveller' I suggest you take a look at this. Canadian, British and American Spelling

I am Canadian, BTW.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 17, 2019

shunyadragon said:
It remains the fallible human perspective regardless of whether the God, God(s) or the CPU? exists or nothing at all.

The Person making the "I Am" statement is infallible. That is all Gods Messengers and all those that God granted an infallible station to via the Messengers.

The confusion arises from us fallible people, who choose to see an exclusive aspect.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
it would follow that there be only one religion.

Thats is Logical.

Regards Tony

Saint Frankenstein · Mar 17, 2019

Siddhartha and Jesus have nothing to do with each other.

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Thats is Logical.

Regards Tony

Is there only one religion? Have you looked at the various sub-forums here?

TransmutingSoul · Mar 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Is there only one religion? Have you looked at the various sub-forums here?

We can consider to look past names as names become a veil, It is the spirit that is life.

It is the same spirit that motivates all that is good.

I see that is the elixer.

The "I Am" is showing us how this can be so.

Regards Tony

InvestigateTruth · Mar 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
That was no typo. Very difficult to get 'grue' from 'guru'. Neither was incarnation for reincarnation. I strongly suggest you take a much deeper study of Hinduism before you start typing about drama, nooksha, Weeshknew, Sammysarah, or anything else.

Yes I think other people made it up. I'll ask again ...were you there? Are you a time traveller?

And I'll reiterate ... I don't believe in prophets or God manifesting as a human. I'm not a Vaishnavite. I seriously dobt if you know that though, or even what it might mean.

As for 'traveller' I suggest you take a look at this. Canadian, British and American Spelling

I am Canadian, BTW.

You do not have to be there to know about the past event. That is why people study history books, and refer to recorded traditions. Are you also not sure if Hitler existed, because you were not there? Maybe they invented it, huh? Maybe they made up pictures and videos and everything. Maybe there was no big bang either, brcause you were not there, huh? No my friend, no need to be there to know what happened in the past. And you did not justify how you know people who were thousands of miles, and years away, came up with similar expressions in this case.

....i doubt you could not know what I meant by grue. The context clearly shows, I was talking about Hindu teachers.

shunyadragon · Mar 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The Person making the "I Am" statement is infallible. That is all Gods Messengers and all those that God granted an infallible station to via the Messengers.

The confusion arises from us fallible people, who choose to see an exclusive aspect.

Regards Tony

You have to remember time and interpretation from the One Revealing to the present is subject to fallible human understanding.

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
You do not have to be there to know about the past event. That is why people study history books, and refer to recorded traditions. Are you also not sure if Hitler existed, because you were not there? Maybe they invented it, huh? Maybe they made up pictures and videos and everything. Maybe there was no big bang either, brcause you were not there, huh? No my friend, no need to be there to know what happened in the past. And you did not justify how you know people who were thousands of miles, and years away, came up with similar expressions in this case.

....i doubt you could not know what I meant by grue. The context clearly shows, I was talking about Hindu teachers.

In my view, ancient history is conjecture, nothing else. As for Krishna, some Hindus are indifferent, some figure it was literal, God walking on earth, and still others see the Mahabharata as a story with many lessons within it. No Hindu, as far as I know, thinks Krishna was a messenger of God, like Baha'is think. But go ahead, feel free to think you know more about Hinduism than Hindus do. That is your right, after all. Not really good for respect of other religions, but sure.

Yes, you meant 'guru' by 'grue', you just didn't take the time to look it up first, to remind yourself of the accurate word.

Similar expressions do happen. Nobody is disputing that. With huge amounts of scriptures everywhere, especially in Hinduism, and scholar could find similar expressions. Not that hard. But that by no means means the entire religions are similar at all.

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
We can consider to look past names as names become a veil, It is the spirit that is life.

It is the same spirit that motivates all that is good.

I see that is the elixer.

The "I Am" is showing us how this can be so.

Regards Tony

This makes no sense at all, to me.

InvestigateTruth · Mar 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
The essential teachings and ministries of Jesus and Buddha cannot be reconciled or synthesized. No amount of religious tolerance or pluralism can erase the deep and sharp differences between these two identities, their worldviews, and their actions. By accurately defining these differences we do justice to both religious leaders while communicating the truth in love to those who would place them on the same plane.

— Douglas R. Groothuis

larger article
https://www.equip.org/article/jesus-and-buddha/

Have a look at this thread as well:

Can Non-Abrahamics and Abrahamics be from same God?

I am sure if the original teachings of Buddha can be interpreted correctly, in principle, they will be exactly the teachings of Jesus, if Jesus teachings are interpreted correctly. The issue is, different people interpreted differently the teachings of Jesus and Buddha. Now, even Buddhist cannot agree on many of the teachings of Buddha. Does that mean Buddha spoke contradictory to Himself, or is it because Buddhist interpreted His words differently, and added their own invented rites? It must be the latter. Then how do you know, the differences between Jesus and Buddhas teachings, are not due to different in interpretations? Moreover, They appeared in different times, and among different people. They must have spoken according to the cultural understanding and requirements. I mean God is not a robot to say exactly somethings.

shunyadragon · Mar 17, 2019

Jumi said:
There's no other perspective that can be presented than human.

To each other.

IF God exists Creation and Revelation is God's perspective, and the attributes of God are his gifts.

InvestigateTruth · Mar 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
In my view, ancient history is conjecture, nothing else. As for Krishna, some Hindus are indifferent, some figure it was literal, God walking on earth, and still others see the Mahabharata as a story with many lessons within it. No Hindu, as far as I know, thinks Krishna was a messenger of God, like Baha'is think. But go ahead, feel free to think you know more about Hinduism than Hindus do. That is your right, after all. Not really good for respect of other religions, but sure.

Yes, you meant 'guru' by 'grue', you just didn't take the time to look it up first, to remind yourself of the accurate word.

Similar expressions do happen. Nobody is disputing that. With huge amounts of scriptures everywhere, especially in Hinduism, and scholar could find similar expressions. Not that hard. But that by no means means the entire religions are similar at all.

The Bahais never believe the entire Scriptures of various Religions are similar. Neither we believe Krishna presented Himself as a Messenger of God. Bahais believe each of the Manifestations of God presented Himself according to His mission. Jesus presented Himself as Son of God, whereas Krishna as a Manifestation of God, Muhammad as the Messenger of God... For instance Muhammad presented His Revelations as if an Angel speaks between God and Him, whereas Moses spoke directly to God. All of Them are Manifestation of One and the Same God, but He appears to people in a manner they can accept. I explained Just so, you know the Bahai view.

shunyadragon · Mar 17, 2019

wizanda said:
Our perspective can be shown from the many different religions around the world.

The CPU exists, as reality does.

Buddha called this the Universal Mind, Yeshua the God Most High (El Elyon), the term CPU is just more precise.

Take into account the periodic table is a mathematically equatable matrix, therefore everything is sequenced logical maths.

In my opinion.

The logical maths remain fallible human perspective, and yes we have names, but there are infinite names beyond our comprehension.

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
I explained Just so, you know the Bahai view.

You actually think I don't know the Baha'i view by now, after 2 years of in depth discussion? Well then, thanks for explaining. You still think I don't know how to spell 'traveller' as well?

TransmutingSoul · Mar 17, 2019

shunyadragon said:
You have to remember time and interpretation from the One Revealing to the present is subject to fallible human understanding.

That is why we have progressive revelation and the explanations of Baha'u'llah.

These explanations show what was the Spirit behind all the teachings and that the intent has always been for us to acknowledge our oneness, under One God, to which this age was and is destined to achieve.

Regards Tony

InvestigateTruth · Mar 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
You actually think I don't know the Baha'i view by now, after 2 years of in depth discussion? Well then, thanks for explaining. You still think I don't know how to spell 'traveller' as well?

I don't even think it matters if you don't know how to spell traveller or anything else. What matters is, communication. Paying too much attention to spelling is useless.

Vinayaka · Mar 17, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
I don't even think it matters if you don't know how to spell traveller or anything else. What matters is, communication. Paying too much attention to spelling is useless.

Yes, I agree. I was just hoping for once you could admit you were wrong about something ... anything. It would be a start. Unfortunately ... not to be. Shucks darn.

sayak83 · Mar 17, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
Baha’u’llah teaches that all humanity are ‘the leaves of one branch and the fruits of one tree’ and that all are one human family. Inconsiderate these views very profound and a remedy for our day and age.

You are free to dismiss these things as ignorance.

I specifically asked if you are interested in reading through the writings of earliest Buddhist scriptures and Synoptic gospels together from professionally translated works to see how much similarity/dissimilarity are actually present in the thoughts presented there.
To this you simply quoted something about how learning is irrelevant in truth finding or some such.
If this does not demonstrate your inherent disinclination about putting your pre-existing beliefs and conclusions through informed testing in order to discover whether they are actually true or not, then what does?

This being the case, why are you writing in the Religious Debates section, where the point of every thread is informed debates about competing theological and philosophical worldviews?

And don't complain that others are unfairly criticizing your beliefs when you yourself refuse to engage in the proper effort to justify them to us.

wizanda · Mar 17, 2019

shunyadragon said:
The logical maths remain fallible human perspective, and yes we have names, but there are infinite names beyond our comprehension.

The definition of the CPU is to help rectify what is the God Most High (El Elyon), Brahman, Universal Mind, Allah, etc, and to repeat what Buddha, and Yeshua tried to fix: that the ultimate goal is to be selfless like the Source.

Our perspective comes from being claimed to be one of the highest archangels (Sandalphon), with the new name of Christ (Sananda); having seen both Heaven and Hell in a NDE, can quantify it in quantum physics using the commandments - thus it isn't a finite view, it is a continuation of the things of God.

In my opinion.

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