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If your holy book fails to match reality ...

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
When you read the bible ..did you notice ..as i did...that the gospels are anonymous??.....and why do they not appear in history until 160ad??
It was common with oral teaching at the time of jesus. it was people who cultivated the teaching of Jesus after his resurection that chose to write it down, so more people could get access to the teaching
 

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
christianity is the worst evil to infect this planet....islam coming along to challenge.

based on what? I (as a potential non believer and kafir) find a lot of redeeming features in both - and then there are the people who follow these faiths - happy to engage on that point if you would like
 

mickt

Member
It was common with oral teaching at the time of jesus. it was people who cultivated the teaching of Jesus after his resurection that chose to write it down, so more people could get access to the teaching
the oral tradition was still in use in 140ad..papias said he prefferred the oral over written...first why..was one wrong?..second..no gospels yet in 140ad..
 

mickt

Member
based on what? I (as a potential non believer and kafir) find a lot of redeeming features in both - and then there are the people who follow these faiths - happy to engage on that point if you would like
well first there was no jesus....christians have been murdering jews for 1700 years...and they care even less about muslims..
 

mickt

Member
based on what? I (as a potential non believer and kafir) find a lot of redeeming features in both - and then there are the people who follow these faiths - happy to engage on that point if you would like
there is nothing original to jesus..
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
the oral tradition was still in use in 140ad..papias said he prefferred the oral over written...first why..was one wrong?..second..no gospels yet in 140ad..
Oral teaching is the best. but today we are not used to this teaching form, so it is more common to write it down. When the oral teaching started to sound different when people listen to different disiple they understood they had to write all down. as far as i know, this was common in all religions at that time, except that Jesus did not call it a religion, he called it cultivation path.
 

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
well first there was no jesus.

:sigh: I guess we have to agree to disagree

There was most certainly, by all independent non biased accounts - a person called Jesus of Nazareth that existed - there are more accounts that agree on that than don't

Now as to whether he was everything he is claimed to have said - or done - the accounts start getting more biased
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I SURE WOULD NOT call ray comfort prominent....i would wipe the floor with him...
Prominent insofar as he was a popular whipping boy for "old school" YouTube atheists/skeptics back in the day. I did find myself liking him more than his counterparts, though. At least he has some humour to him.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
The book of joshua is 'historical', only wingnuts
When you read the bible ..did you notice ..as i did...that the gospels are anonymous??.....and why do they not appear in history until 160ad??

Not really, however I noticed that they are different. So, a 'combination', according to a belief one already has, makes sense, to me.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Prominent insofar as he was a popular whipping boy for "old school" YouTube atheists/skeptics back in the day. I did find myself liking him more than his counterparts, though. At least he has some humour to him.
Yeah, he seems like a nice guy. I find him harmless.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
In several discussions here recently, religious participants appear to privilege scripture over reality.

Creationist organizations even state this openly in their "statements of faith"

Recent examples here involve the Noachian flood and claims that ordinary processes can transmute elements.

How can people honestly sustain such intellectual dishonesty?

If your holy book says the moon is made of cheese, will you take crackers when you go there?
Wouldn't know. I don't have that problem. The holy book I believe is true.

As for your further comments. I'll just say you don't in fact know everything and leave it at that.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
More and more modern translations are using the proper translation.
Proper translation by whose reckoning? That Rabbinical Judaism considers the Masoretic text as the authoritative version is meaningless unless you recognize rabbinical authority. To claim that the Christians who recognize the Septuagint are wrong, because the currently surviving sect of Judaism says so is textbook question begging. Personally, I don't have any real preference for either as the Church has used both in its history. But I would never question the Eastern Orthodox over their use of the Septuagint simply because modern Rabbinical Judaism has a differing view. If I cared for what the Rabbis think I'd convert to their religion.
 
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