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The book of Genesis "Cain"

Faithofchristian

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The Mark of Cain couldn't have been skin color. Cain had a son Enoch and built a city in Mesopotamia that already existed before the death of Abel.

In the book of Genesis 4:12 tells what the Mark of Cain is.

"When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth" Genesis 4:12.

So there lays the mark of Cain, That anything that Cain and his descendants try to grow out of the ground, nothing will grow.
In the bible the descendants of Cain are called Kenite

The descendants of Cain, can be found even to day.
If people knows what to look for.

As Cain did not believe in God nor does Cain's descendants, but only wants to do things their way.
As Cain wanted to do his offering his way and not Gods way.

As Cain's descendants wants to worship God their way and not God's way.

As many people wants to follow man's teachings and not the teachings of God's.
And Christ Jesus.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
In Genesis 1:26, here you will find when God first created male and female of the races.
This being on the 6th day according to Genesis 1:31. This being our Friday

And then God rested on the 7th day
This being our Saturday.

And then on the next day, this being our Sunday. God created Adam and Eve

6th day Friday, Male and Female created
Genesis 1:26

7th day Saturday, God rested
Genesis 2:1-2

The next day Sunday, Adam and Eve created. Genesis 2:7

The 7th day stands in between the two, so that they can not be mix in together.

It allegory based on a myth the Hebrews learned in Babylon.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
After Cain departed, Cain went into the land of Nod, on the east of Eden, and Cain's wife gave birth to Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

Seeing Adam and Eve only had 3 sons, Cain,Able and Seth. So where do you suppose Cain's wife came from ?

What was the mark, that God put on Cain, in Genesis Chapter 4

I asked this question to some religious friends of mine if Adam and Eve were the first man an women then there had to be some incest going on to build up the tribe. They said to me there were other people created other than Adam and Eve who were present. It's just that Adam and Eve were the first.

Anytime I hear the word "Cain" it reminds me of one of my favorite heavy metal songs:

 

sooda

Veteran Member
I asked this question to some religious friends of mine if Adam and Eve were the first man an women then there had to be some incest going on to build up the tribe. They said to me there were other people created other than Adam and Eve who were present. It's just that Adam and Eve were the first.

Anytime I hear the word "Cain" it reminds me of one of my favorite heavy metal songs:


There were cities in Mesopotamia BEFORE Cain killed Able\ during the Ubaid period (c. 6500–3800 BC)
 

sooda

Veteran Member
So you say

Most records of Babylonian myths date from 700 B.C., when they were transcribed in cuneiform on clay tablets and stored in the library of the Assyrian King Ashurbanipal at Nineveh. However, the two major Babylonian epics probably originated around 2000 B.C..
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I asked this question to some religious friends of mine if Adam and Eve were the first man an women then there had to be some incest going on to build up the tribe. They said to me there were other people created other than Adam and Eve who were present. It's just that Adam and Eve were the first.

Anytime I hear the word "Cain" it reminds me of one of my favorite heavy metal songs:


Your friends were right, That Adam and Eve were not the first to be created.

As there were other people created on the 6th day which we call Friday.

Adam and Eve were not created until the day after the 7th day, which we call Saturday.
Adam and Eve were created on what we call Sunday..
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
As Cain did not believe in God nor does Cain's descendants, but only wants to do things their way.
As Cain wanted to do his offering his way and not Gods way.
As Cain's descendants wants to worship God their way and not God's way.
As many people wants to follow man's teachings and not the teachings of God's.
And Christ Jesus.

Interpreting what God's teaching means has always been a problem. The Bible was not directly written by God but by men and translators pretending to know what God was thinking. The mind of God is way beyond man's comprehension. I think the Bible should not be read out of the historical context in which it was written. But the essential message of the Bible that morality is important is still relevant today.

Does this make me an evil person? If you say "yes" then how can you live your life with this bit of evil as your guide:

No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Genocide, slavery, and sending concubines out to be gang raped has to be considered to be evil by today's standards. The Bible getting slavery wrong is a pretty big deal. But as I said, if read as metaphor not taking out of the historical context in which it was written, the message morality is important is still relevant.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Most records of Babylonian myths date from 700 B.C., when they were transcribed in cuneiform on clay tablets and stored in the library of the Assyrian King Ashurbanipal at Nineveh. However, the two major Babylonian epics probably originated around 2000 B.C..

Well seeing Israel was around before Babylon came to be.

That means, Israel had the oracles of God,
The teachings of God's.

And not all of Israel were taken in captive into Babylon
So there were still people left in Israel, Jerusalem, As Prophet Jeremiah and was still in Israel and Jerusalem.l

So Israel still had the scriptures, that God had given to Moses and to Israel.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well seeing Israel was around before Babylon came to be.

That means, Israel had the oracles of God,
The teachings of God's.

And not all of Israel were taken in captive into Babylon
So there were still people left in Israel, Jerusalem, As Prophet Jeremiah and was still in Israel and Jerusalem.l

So Israel still had the scriptures, that God had given to Moses and to Israel.

Only the good figs were taken to Babylon where they were treated well.

Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus were written next.

The writings on clay tablets found in Babylon and Dilmun and at Ras Shamra are much older.

Dilmun appears first in Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets dated to the end of 4th millennium BC, found in the temple of goddess Inanna, in the city of Uruk.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Only the good figs were taken to Babylon where they were treated well.

Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus were written next.

The writings on clay tablets found in Babylon and Dilmun and at Ras Shamra are much older.

Dilmun appears first in Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets dated to the end of 4th millennium BC, found in the temple of goddess Inanna, in the city of Uruk.

You do realise that according to the Hebrew Bible and the Roman OT, Abraham was 58 when Noah died, and Abraham was a Chaldean, a descendant of Shem, and the oldest son of Terah, the high priest of the temple in the Sumerian city of Ur

You do realise that the Temple of Solomon in which were the sacred Torah scrolls, stood for some 410 years before it was sacked of all its treasures and burned By Nebuchadnezzar.

What school did you go to kiddo?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
You do realise that according to the Hebrew Bible and the Roman OT, Abraham was 58 when Noah died, and Abraham was a Chaldean, a descendant of Shem, and the oldest son of Terah, the high priest of the temple in the Sumerian city of Ur

You do realise that the Temple of Solomon in which were the sacred Torah scrolls, stood for some 410 years before it was sacked of all its treasures and burned By Nebuchadnezzar.

What school did you go to kiddo?

I went to excellent schools. There was NO Ur of the Chaldeas at the time of Abraham. I have posted documentation over a half dozen times by now.

The Chaldeans (612-539BCE)
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
The Chaldeans (612-539BCE)

I know you intended to insult me, however there was NO Chaldea when Abraham left Haran. There was a place called Urfa.

Whoever wrote Genesis simply didn't know.

And he [Serug] grew up, and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, near to the father of his wife’s mother, and he worshipped idols, and he took to himself a wife in the thirty-sixth jubilee, in the fifth week, in the first year thereof, and her name was Melka, the daughter 8 of Kaber, the daughter of his father’s brother. And she bare him Nahor, in the first year of this week, and he grew and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, and his father taught him the researches of the 9 Chaldees to divine and augur, according to the signs of heaven. And in the thirty-seventh jubilee in the sixth week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Ijaska, the 10 daughter of Nestag of the Chaldees. And she bare him Terah in the seventh year of this week. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Terah took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Edna, the daughter of ’Abram, the daughter of his father’s sister. And in the seventh year of this week she bare him a son, and he called his name Abram, 15 by the name of the father of his mother; for he had died before his daughter had conceived a son.

And in the fortieth jubilee, in the second week, in the seventh year thereof, Abram took to himself a wife, 10 and her name was Sarai, the daughter of his father, and she became his wife. And Haran, his brother, took to himself a wife in the third year of the third week, and she bare him a son in the 11 seventh year of this week, and he called his name Lot. And Nahor, his brother, took to himself 12 a wife.

And it came to pass in the sixth week, in the seventh year thereof, that Abram said to Terah his father, saying, ’Father!’ And he said, ’Behold, here am I, my son.’ And he said, ’What help and profit have we from those idols which thou dost worship, And before which thou dost bow thyself? For there is no spirit in them, For they are dumb forms, and a misleading of the heart. Worship them not: Worship the God of heaven, - - - - - - - - - - -

Why do ye worship things that have no spirit in them? For they are the work of (men’s) hands, And on your shoulders do ye bear them, And ye have no help from them, But they are a great cause of shame to those who make them, And a misleading of the heart to those who worship them: Worship them not.’

6 And his father said unto him, I also know it, my son, but what shall I do with a people who have made me to serve (Their Gods) before them? And if I tell them the truth, they will slay me; for their soul cleaves to them to worship them and honour them. Keep silent, my son, lest they slay thee.’ And these words he spake to his two brothers, and they were angry with him and he kept silent.

And in the sixtieth year of the life of Abram, that is, in the fourth week, in the fourth year thereof, Abram arose by night, and burned the house of the idols, and he burned all that was in the 13 house and no man knew it. And they arose in the night and sought to save their gods from the 14 midst of the fire. And Haran hasted to save them, but the fire flamed over him, and he was burnt in the fire, and he died in Ur of the Chaldees before Terah his father, and they buried him in Ur of the Chaldees.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
And he [Serug] grew up, and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, near to the father of his wife’s mother, and he worshipped idols, and he took to himself a wife in the thirty-sixth jubilee, in the fifth week, in the first year thereof, and her name was Melka, the daughter 8 of Kaber, the daughter of his father’s brother. And she bare him Nahor, in the first year of this week, and he grew and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees, and his father taught him the researches of the 9 Chaldees to divine and augur, according to the signs of heaven. And in the thirty-seventh jubilee in the sixth week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Ijaska, the 10 daughter of Nestag of the Chaldees. And she bare him Terah in the seventh year of this week. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Terah took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Edna, the daughter of ’Abram, the daughter of his father’s sister. And in the seventh year of this week she bare him a son, and he called his name Abram, 15 by the name of the father of his mother; for he had died before his daughter had conceived a son.

And in the fortieth jubilee, in the second week, in the seventh year thereof, Abram took to himself a wife, 10 and her name was Sarai, the daughter of his father, and she became his wife. And Haran, his brother, took to himself a wife in the third year of the third week, and she bare him a son in the 11 seventh year of this week, and he called his name Lot. And Nahor, his brother, took to himself 12 a wife.

And it came to pass in the sixth week, in the seventh year thereof, that Abram said to Terah his father, saying, ’Father!’ And he said, ’Behold, here am I, my son.’ And he said, ’What help and profit have we from those idols which thou dost worship, And before which thou dost bow thyself? For there is no spirit in them, For they are dumb forms, and a misleading of the heart. Worship them not: Worship the God of heaven, - - - - - - - - - - -

Why do ye worship things that have no spirit in them? For they are the work of (men’s) hands, And on your shoulders do ye bear them, And ye have no help from them, But they are a great cause of shame to those who make them, And a misleading of the heart to those who worship them: Worship them not.’

6 And his father said unto him, I also know it, my son, but what shall I do with a people who have made me to serve (Their Gods) before them? And if I tell them the truth, they will slay me; for their soul cleaves to them to worship them and honour them. Keep silent, my son, lest they slay thee.’ And these words he spake to his two brothers, and they were angry with him and he kept silent.

And in the sixtieth year of the life of Abram, that is, in the fourth week, in the fourth year thereof, Abram arose by night, and burned the house of the idols, and he burned all that was in the 13 house and no man knew it. And they arose in the night and sought to save their gods from the 14 midst of the fire. And Haran hasted to save them, but the fire flamed over him, and he was burnt in the fire, and he died in Ur of the Chaldees before Terah his father, and they buried him in Ur of the Chaldees.

So neither God nor Abraham knew that Ur Of the Chaldeans didn't exist until 615 BC.. and it only lasted until 539 BC.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
So neither God nor Abraham knew that Ur Of the Chaldeans didn't exist until 615 BC.. and it only lasted until 539 BC.

Oh, they knew that that the Sumerian city of Ur of the Chaldeans existed even before Abraham was born

You said that Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus were written next.

When just about everyone except yourself, knows that Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, plus the songs of David and other Holy writings, were in in the Temple Built by Solomon, of which the Jewish historian Josephus, says that "the temple was sacked and burnt, four hundred and seventy years, six months and 10 days after its construction. And can you guess who destroyed it after stripping it of all its treasures, which hadn't already been taken and hidden by Jeremiah? It was the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar in 587 B.C.,
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
After Cain departed, Cain went into the land of Nod, on the east of Eden, and Cain's wife gave birth to Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

Seeing Adam and Eve only had 3 sons, Cain,Able and Seth. So where do you suppose Cain's wife came from ?

What was the mark, that God put on Cain, in Genesis Chapter 4

You Historical Christians can only Speculate about these questions and answers and never arrive at Certainty. This is the Nature of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
After Cain departed, Cain went into the land of Nod, on the east of Eden, and Cain's wife gave birth to Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

Seeing Adam and Eve only had 3 sons, Cain,Able and Seth. So where do you suppose Cain's wife came from ?

What was the mark, that God put on Cain, in Genesis Chapter 4

The limited number of children mentioned does not mean they only had the 3. The book of Gen is very brief about this time frame setting up a few details of families and God's interactions with man.
 
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