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When did Jesus die?

lostwanderingsoul

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No one knows. That's one way to tell that the Christian story is false. They have to literally use astrology to calculate when Easter is.
Well first of all Easter is based on a pagan holiday and has nothing to do with Christianity. Jesus died at the time of the Passover which can easily be determined by the calendar, not astrology.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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A day is defined as a period of darkness followed by an equal period of Light, whether on Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune of Pluto..

Jesus died at 3 PM on Thursday after a 3 hour period of Darkness from 12 noon to 3 PM.

The three hour period of light, before being buried at dusk, being day one: Friday night--night one, Friday day---day two, SATURDAY NIGHT----Night two----- Saturday, day three, Sunday night----night three.

Three days and three nights. But the question was not, "On which day of the week did Jesus die," but did he die on the day of Passover or the first day of the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread.
A day is defined as 12 hours of light followed by 12 hours of dark. Trying to say 3 hours of light and 3 hours of dark makes a day is so laughable it makes no sense.
 

The Anointed

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Depends which Gospel you read. The synoptic gospels say the day of the passover and the gospel of John says the day of preparation. Some say the gospel of John refers to Jesus as the "lamb of God", so sticking with killing the lamb on the day of preparation, the writer of John tied the crucifixion to the same day.

And Matthew 26: 17 says That it was on the first day of the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread that Jesus told his disciples to prepare the Passover meal, after which, on that same night, he was arrested, tried and condemned on the 6th hour of that night (Midnight) nailed to the cross on the third hour of daylight, etc, etc.

Mark 14: 12; On the first day of Unleavened Bread, the day when the lambs for the Passover meal were killed, the disciples prepared the Passover meal, etc.

Luke 22: 7;The day came during the festival of Unleavened Bread when the lamb for the Passover meal were Killed, which Passover meal, the Jews were eating as Jesus was being buried.

Work that out youngen.

All four gospels speak the truth once you understand the scriptures.

Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples on the evening of the 14th day of the first month as commanded by the Lord according to Books of Moses.

The Jews later incorporated the one day festival of Passover into their seven day festival of unleavened Bread,
 
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David T

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Premium Member
I'm trying to figure out how divine inspiration fits into all this.
well divine inspirtation is a term used by those who have no clue but are moved by what is either written, sung, acted, painted, expressed in art in ways the audience actually doesn't fully understands but is touched by it!
 

David T

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Nothing in the Bible mentions Friday.
that is actually not remotely relevant to my question.

you do know that people in that text didn't have the new testament to read and play makebelieve about. cosplay is strange but everyone needs to in this culture I suppose.


oh btw I say the same thing to atheists and agnostics. all cosplay.
 

The Anointed

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As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

Exodus 1: 22; Pharaoh commanded all his people, “Every son that is born to the Hebrews you shall cast into the Nile, but you shall let every daughter live.”

According to the Torah, it was on the 13th day of the first month, between the two evenings that the Pascal Lambs were killed and their blood splattered on the lentils and door posts of the houses of the Israelites so the angel of death would Passover those houses, killing only the first-born sons of the Egyptians. (Not the daughters)

On the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Nisan, the Israelites ate their Passover meal. At midnight the angel of death Passed over Egypt, killing all the first born Egyptian males. Next morning, when they were allowed to leave their houses, they organised themselves, packing all their gear and receiving gifts of Silver and gold from their Egyptian neighbours, who Just wanted to get shot of them, and retrieved the bones of Joseph from his tomb in the Valley of Kings before departing Egypt in the evening and beginning of 15th day, which is the first of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread.

Deuteronomy 16: 6; concerning the slaughtering of the Pascal Lambs, the Lord told them to do it at sunset the TIME of the day that they left Egypt, Not the day that they left Egypt, but the ‘TIME’ of the day, which was at sunset immediately AFTER the day of Passover, which ended at sunset the beginning of the 15th day of Nisan, which was the first of the seven day festival of Unleavened bread

Exodus 12: 22: the Israelites are commanded by the Lord, through Moses, that on the night of the Passover Festival, the 14th of Nisan, the night that the Lord killed all the first-born males of Egypt, who were not protected by the blood of the sacrificial lamb, they were not to leave their houses until “MORNING.”

Knowing from Exodus 12: 22; that the Israelites could not leave their houses until sunrise after the Lord had killed all the first-born sons, who were not protected by the blood of the Lambs that the Israelites had eaten that night.

And Knowing from Numbers 33: that they left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, on the day “AFTER” the first Passover.

And knowing that the Lord said Concerning the day of Passover, in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’ as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day) for all time to come.

And knowing that it is said in Leviticus 23: 5; In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month in the EVENING, is the Lord’s Passover. Not the evening of the 15th day, but the evening which is the beginning of the fourteenth day.

Verse 6; And on the 15th day of the same month is the feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord.

According to the Torah, the Passover is an entirely separate festival as to the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread.

Jesus died on the fourteenth day of the first month, which should have been the Passover, but according to the Jews of his day, was the day of preparation to their Passover, which they had incorporated into their seven day festival of unleavened bread.
 

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And Matthew 26: 17 says That it was on the first day of the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread that Jesus told his disciples to prepare the Passover meal, after which, on that same night, he was arrested, tried and condemned on the 6th hour of that night (Midnight) nailed to the cross on the third hour of daylight, etc, etc.

Mark 14: 12; On the first day of Unleavened Bread, the day when the lambs for the Passover meal were killed, the disciples prepared the Passover meal, etc.

Luke 22: 7;The day came during the festival of Unleavened Bread when the lamb for the Passover meal were Killed, which Passover meal, the Jews were eating as Jesus was being buried.

Work that out youngen.

All four gospels speak the truth once you understand the scriptures.

Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples on the evening of the 14th day of the first month as commanded by the Lord according to Books of Moses.

The Jews later incorporated the one day festival of Passover into their seven day festival of unleavened Bread,
Hmm... the. Gospel of John (the one you missed) appears to have the problem with timing....

Mark 15:22-25 has the time of the crucifixion commence at “the third hour” (which means 9am)1. He was strung up on the cross by at least “the sixth hour”, whereupon a three-hour period of darkness began (Mark 15:32-33).

But John 19:13-14 has Jesus still infront of Pilate at “the sixth hour” – noon, having not yet even set out on the journey to Golgotha.It is impossible to imagine John’s eyewitnesses mis-remembering by so many hours, and impossible to imagine that the 3-hour period of darkness over the whole land (or whole world?) failed to make an impression to the extent that they weren’t sure when it happened. Scribes all over the land would have noted this, just as they noted other less pervasive and much shorter solar eclipses. It seems that so many things are wrong with the timelines that it stands to reason that some, or all, of the gospel writers did not actually know when Jesus was crucified.
 

The Anointed

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Hmm... the. Gospel of John (the one you missed) appears to have the problem with timing....

Mark 15:22-25 has the time of the crucifixion commence at “the third hour” (which means 9am)1. He was strung up on the cross by at least “the sixth hour”, whereupon a three-hour period of darkness began (Mark 15:32-33).

But John 19:13-14 has Jesus still infront of Pilate at “the sixth hour” – noon, having not yet even set out on the journey to Golgotha.It is impossible to imagine John’s eyewitnesses mis-remembering by so many hours, and impossible to imagine that the 3-hour period of darkness over the whole land (or whole world?) failed to make an impression to the extent that they weren’t sure when it happened. Scribes all over the land would have noted this, just as they noted other less pervasive and much shorter solar eclipses. It seems that so many things are wrong with the timelines that it stands to reason that some, or all, of the gospel writers did not actually know when Jesus was crucified.

John has it right mate, it is you who have it wrong.

The Jews divided their day into 12 Hours of Darkness followed by 12 hours of daylight, Jesus himself said; "A day has 12 hours has it not, so work while the light is with you."

After Jesus had the Passover meal with his disciples on the 14th day of the first month, and had substituted the Lamb for the bread and wine, which represented the body of the Lord, who is the reality of the sacrificial Lamb of God, he was arrested by guards with lanterns and questioned by the Jewish authorities, who slapped him around a bit before taking him to Pilate, where, on the sixth hour of the 12 hours of darkness (Midnight) he was sentenced to death, and taken away and scourged and made fun of by the Roman guards, who, on the third hour of the 12 hours of daylight that followed the 12 hours of darkness, (9 AM) he was nailed to the cross, darkness covered Jerusalem from the 12th hour (Midday) to the 9th hour of daylight (3 PM), when Jesus gave up the spirit, and was buried as the sun set on the 14th day of the first month, while the Jews were just sitting down to their Pascal Lamb in the evening of the 15th day of the first month, which according to the Torah, is the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread that was to follow the one day Festival of Passover.

The three hour of darkness had to have been caused by an incoming heavenly object that remained between the sun and Jerusalem for three hour, and exploded as an air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, somewhere in the waste lands east of the Jordan, a blast that rocked the mountains, and tore the curtain the hung before the Holy of Holies in the temple, which may appear to be thought to have been an earth quake.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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that is actually not remotely relevant to my question.

you do know that people in that text didn't have the new testament to read and play makebelieve about. cosplay is strange but everyone needs to in this culture I suppose.


oh btw I say the same thing to atheists and agnostics. all cosplay.
OK. Your question is why is it called "good" Friday. Because the word "good" is sometimes used to mean holy. And Good Friday occurs in holy week. So it could be called holy Friday but the word good is used instead.
 

The Anointed

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OK. Your question is why is it called "good" Friday. Because the word "good" is sometimes used to mean holy. And Good Friday occurs in holy week. So it could be called holy Friday but the word good is used instead.

If he had died on Friday he would only have been dead for Saturday night, Saturday, and Sunday night, having been risen earthy Sunday morning, two nights and one day. Jesus who said that he would be spiritually in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, was not a false prophet.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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If he had died on Friday he would only have been dead for Saturday night, Saturday, and Sunday night, having been risen earthy Sunday morning, two nights and one day. Jesus who said that he would be spiritually in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, was not a false prophet.
I did not say he died on Friday. This is a false idea planted by Satan. People think it was Friday because it was the day before a Sabbath. But in the Jewish religion there are two different kinds of Sabbaths. One is the weekly Sabbath which is always on Saturday but the other is annual Sabbaths which can fall on any day of the week. The Passover is one of these annual Sabbaths and it was on Thursday that year. That leaves plenty of time for three full days and nights between his death and when he rose from the tomb. But people have been blinded to this truth and even the church has fallen for the lies of Satan.
 

The Anointed

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I did not say he died on Friday. This is a false idea planted by Satan. People think it was Friday because it was the day before a Sabbath. But in the Jewish religion there are two different kinds of Sabbaths. One is the weekly Sabbath which is always on Saturday but the other is annual Sabbaths which can fall on any day of the week. The Passover is one of these annual Sabbaths and it was on Thursday that year. That leaves plenty of time for three full days and nights between his death and when he rose from the tomb. But people have been blinded to this truth and even the church has fallen for the lies of Satan.

And I did not suggest that you did say that he died on the Friday, I simply pointed out that if he had died on Friday as stated in the GNB Catholic Study Edition, he would have only been in the grave for two nights and one day. You on the other hand, have him dying of the Wednesday, the day of preparation to the Jews Thursday Passover.

This would mean he was dead Thursday night and Thursday, Friday night and Friday, Saturday night and Saturday, Three days and three nights, and although the tomb was found to be empty early Sunday morning, there is nothing to say that he did not leave the tomb early of Sunday evening. BUT???
 

lostwanderingsoul

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And I did not suggest that you did say that he died on the Friday, I simply pointed out that if he had died on Friday as stated in the GNB Catholic Study Edition, he would have only been in the grave for two nights and one day. You on the other hand, have him dying of the Wednesday, the day of preparation to the Jews Thursday Passover.

This would mean he was dead Thursday night and Thursday, Friday night and Friday, Saturday night and Saturday, Three days and three nights, and although the tomb was found to be empty early Sunday morning, there is nothing to say that he did not leave the tomb early of Sunday evening. BUT???
I do not see a "but". Jesus himself said that the ONLY sign that he was God's son would be the three full days and nights in the tomb. Why do almost all people who say they are Christian and believe Christ turn around and call him a liar? Satan has blinded the eyes of the very church that claims to represent Jesus.
 

The Anointed

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I do not see a "but". Jesus himself said that the ONLY sign that he was God's son would be the three full days and nights in the tomb. Why do almost all people who say they are Christian and believe Christ turn around and call him a liar? Satan has blinded the eyes of the very church that claims to represent Jesus.

Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross, deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into Hades to communicate with the Gods.

Jesus was spiritually in hades for three days and three night, preaching the Good News to the dead also, "BUT" he did not die on Wednesday.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross, deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into Hades to communicate with the Gods.

Jesus was spiritually in hades for three days and three night, preaching the Good News to the dead also, "BUT" he did not die on Wednesday.
Well, first of all, Hades means the grave. People in the grave are dead. There is no preaching or anything else. The Bible says that the dead "know not anything". So it would do no good to preach to someone who knows not anything. Second, if Jesus was in Hades for three days and nights, there is no way it could have been from Friday sunset to Sunday sunrise. If you truly believe that, then you do not believe in Jesus for he himself said that was the only sign of who he was.
 

The Anointed

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Well, first of all, Hades means the grave. People in the grave are dead. There is no preaching or anything else. The Bible says that the dead "know not anything". So it would do no good to preach to someone who knows not anything. Second, if Jesus was in Hades for three days and nights, there is no way it could have been from Friday sunset to Sunday sunrise. If you truly believe that, then you do not believe in Jesus for he himself said that was the only sign of who he was.

1 Peter 3: 18-19; For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,

1 Peter 4: 6 GNB; That is why the Good News was also preached to the dead; to those who had been judged in their physical existence as everyone is judged, it was preached to them so that in their spiritual existence they might live as God lives.

The Book of Ecclesiastes is one of four books written by Solomon, it is his satirical work aimed at those who do not believe in life after death or the resurrection.

Ecclesiastes 9: 5; “For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.”

In the book of Sirach, R, H, Charles translation chapter 47 verse 17, it is written concerning Solomon, (1)“By thy songs, (2) parables, (3) dark speeches, and (4) SATIRES, thou didst cause astonishment to the peoples etc.” Four books written by Solomon.

From the book of Ecclesiastes: GNB Catholic Study Edition.

“Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. I envy those who are dead and gone; they are better off than those who are still alive. But better off than either, are those who have never been born etc. A man may have a hundred children and live a long time, but no matter how long he lives, if he does not get his share of happiness and does not receive a descent burial, then I say that a baby born dead is better off. Man and animal receive the same ultimate reward, total oblivion, from the dust they came and to the dust they shall return. A wise man is no better off than a fool, the reward for doing good is the same as that for doing evil, so don’t be too good or too wise, Why kill yourself?

We are all going to our final resting place, and although life is useless, the conclusion of the matter is, if you live a religious life you may at least experience some in the short span of consciousness that has been allocated to you in this useless life. So go ahead and eat, drink and be merry, drink your wine and be cheerful. It’s all right with God. your life with the woman you love, as long as you live the useless life that God has given you in this world. Enjoy every useless day of it, because that is all that you’ll get for all your troubles. Never again will you take part in anything that happens in the world, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead to where the righteous, the wicked, the wise and the fools, animal and man, are all going. For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.”

Solomon’s songs are found in his book, ‘Song of Songs,’ his parables are found in his book of ‘proverbs,’ his dark speeches are in the ‘Wisdom of Solomon,’ and who can read the negative and even depressing words from the book of ‘Ecclesiastes’ without realizing that here is the SATIRICAL work of Solomon, aimed at those who believed in neither life after death, or the resurrection from the dead.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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1 Peter 3: 18-19; For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,

1 Peter 4: 6 GNB; That is why the Good News was also preached to the dead; to those who had been judged in their physical existence as everyone is judged, it was preached to them so that in their spiritual existence they might live as God lives.

The Book of Ecclesiastes is one of four books written by Solomon, it is his satirical work aimed at those who do not believe in life after death or the resurrection.

Ecclesiastes 9: 5; “For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.”

In the book of Sirach, R, H, Charles translation chapter 47 verse 17, it is written concerning Solomon, (1)“By thy songs, (2) parables, (3) dark speeches, and (4) SATIRES, thou didst cause astonishment to the peoples etc.” Four books written by Solomon.

From the book of Ecclesiastes: GNB Catholic Study Edition.

“Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. I envy those who are dead and gone; they are better off than those who are still alive. But better off than either, are those who have never been born etc. A man may have a hundred children and live a long time, but no matter how long he lives, if he does not get his share of happiness and does not receive a descent burial, then I say that a baby born dead is better off. Man and animal receive the same ultimate reward, total oblivion, from the dust they came and to the dust they shall return. A wise man is no better off than a fool, the reward for doing good is the same as that for doing evil, so don’t be too good or too wise, Why kill yourself?

We are all going to our final resting place, and although life is useless, the conclusion of the matter is, if you live a religious life you may at least experience some in the short span of consciousness that has been allocated to you in this useless life. So go ahead and eat, drink and be merry, drink your wine and be cheerful. It’s all right with God. your life with the woman you love, as long as you live the useless life that God has given you in this world. Enjoy every useless day of it, because that is all that you’ll get for all your troubles. Never again will you take part in anything that happens in the world, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead to where the righteous, the wicked, the wise and the fools, animal and man, are all going. For the living know that they are going to die, but the dead know nothing.”

Solomon’s songs are found in his book, ‘Song of Songs,’ his parables are found in his book of ‘proverbs,’ his dark speeches are in the ‘Wisdom of Solomon,’ and who can read the negative and even depressing words from the book of ‘Ecclesiastes’ without realizing that here is the SATIRICAL work of Solomon, aimed at those who believed in neither life after death, or the resurrection from the dead.
You like to write a lot of words that say nothing about the question. Jesus said he would be in the tomb for three days and nights. If you do not believe this then you are calling Jesus a liar. Your long answer said nothing about this. Is Jesus a liar?
 

lukethethird

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Jesus' death depends entirely on which gospel one reads, and like someone already stated, whatever date the author wanted it to be.
 
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