Is Christendom pretending to be Christian ?

Neuropteron · Mar 7, 2019

The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy.

He found that Christendoms Christianity was meaningless, existing in name only, while we live a life of paganism.

He wrote:
"Christianity of the New Testament variety does not exist in Christendom.
Christendom has not ventured defiantly or revolted openly against Christianity. Oh no! Rather she has hypocritically and knavishly done away with Christianity by falsifying the definition of what is Christian.
Christendom is playing Christianity, taking God for a fool!"

[Reference:He published a series of articles in the newspaper Fædrelandet and followed up with a periodical, which was called The Instant. ]

These are strong accusations.

What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Earthling · Mar 7, 2019

Neuropteron said:
What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Because it's blatantly obvious!

whirlingmerc · Mar 7, 2019

Neuropteron said:
The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy.

He found that Christendoms Christianity was meaningless, existing in name only, while we live a life of paganism.

He wrote:
"Christianity of the New Testament variety does not exist in Christendom.
Christendom has not ventured defiantly or revolted openly against Christianity. Oh no! Rather she has hypocritically and knavishly done away with Christianity by falsifying the definition of what is Christian.
Christendom is playing Christianity, taking God for a fool!"

[Reference:He published a series of articles in the newspaper Fædrelandet and followed up with a periodical, which was called The Instant. ]

These are strong accusations.

What do you think moved him to take such a position?

At times perhaps, but that's human nature

Jesus did speak of the wheat and tares being sown together

Ellen Brown · Mar 7, 2019

Just read, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Then look around you. Then look at yourself. Humans are so war like, spiteful, and unholy. Despite all the promises from Pastors, our fate will be a close thing.

whirlingmerc · Mar 7, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
Just read, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Then look around you. Then look at yourself. Humans are so war like, spiteful, and unholy. Despite all the promises from Pastors, our fate will be a close thing.

Yes, humans are so much in need of a redeemer

but even with all the faults and weaknesses whose who look to Him in faith 'Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers' (Hebrews 2:11) and 'God is not ashamed to be called their God' (Hebrews 11:16)

Deeje · Mar 7, 2019

Neuropteron said:
The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy.

He found that Christendoms Christianity was meaningless, existing in name only, while we live a life of paganism.

He wrote:
"Christianity of the New Testament variety does not exist in Christendom.
Christendom has not ventured defiantly or revolted openly against Christianity. Oh no! Rather she has hypocritically and knavishly done away with Christianity by falsifying the definition of what is Christian.
Christendom is playing Christianity, taking God for a fool!"

It was predicted by Jesus and the apostles that a fake form of Christianity would take over Christ's flock.

Acts 20:29....Paul wrote....
"I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves."

Peter wrote...

2 Peter 2:1....
"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves."

2 Peter 3:15-16....
"Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

These are strong accusations.

What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Its the truth. Its an honest man who can tell it like it is in the face of such monstrous hypocrisy....Jesus did and look what happened to him....

But why do people accept falsehood and reject the truth? Its doesn't happen all at once.....it creeps in little by little over time so that no one really notices how far they have strayed for Christ's teachings. Like drifting in a boat....you barely notice that you are moving away from where you were....until you realize how far you have to go back.

This is why...according to Paul....

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12....speaking of those lawless apostates, he said
"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."

It appears as if they want to invent their own truth, according to their own desires. They love the lies more than they love the truth. Sad, isn't it?

loverofhumanity · Mar 8, 2019

Deeje said:
It was predicted by Jesus and the apostles that a fake form of Christianity would take over Christ's flock.

Acts 20:29....Paul wrote....
"I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves."

Peter wrote...

2 Peter 2:1....
"However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves."

2 Peter 3:15-16....
"Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Its the truth. Its an honest man who can tell it like it is in the face of such monstrous hypocrisy....Jesus did and look what happened to him....

But why do people accept falsehood and reject the truth? Its doesn't happen all at once.....it creeps in little by little over time so that no one really notices how far they have strayed for Christ's teachings. Like drifting in a boat....you barely notice that you are moving away from where you were....until you realize how far you have to go back.

This is why...according to Paul....

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12....speaking of those lawless apostates, he said
"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."

It appears as if they want to invent their own truth, according to their own desires. They love the lies more than they love the truth. Sad, isn't it?

Perhaps the religion of Christ now has become the religion of the priests. People obey them and follow their interpretations and have replaced Jesus with ministers and clergy who for the next 2,000 years will continue to say Christ’s return is ‘just around the corner’ wait a little longer.

Religious leaders are the first to deny God, the first to crucify, kill, exile, torture and imprison the Prophets and yet people still follow them as if they are gods.

God gave us individual minds not to follow others but to seek out truth for ourselves. So what happened? These preachers and teachers have so far split Christianity into over 40,000 sects when clearly the Bible teaches unity and oneness. So some people follow a pope but what happened to following Jesus? Other religions suffer the same disunity at the hands of self appointed leaders.

Popes, ministers, clergy, elders, mullahs and priests now are the new Christ, the new God and run the religion of God the way they dictate not the way God commanded them to but billions follow them.

Now we are all seeing for ourselves how the clergy really are and what they have been doing secretly and how they have been abusing the religion of God and abusing children and inciting terrorism blowing up innocent people.

This is the age when we dispose of these people altogether and have committees or elected bodies to run religion. And interpretations should be left to individuals not any self proclaimed priest. Only the Prophets have any real authority from God not any clergy or minister.

Ellen Brown · Mar 8, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
Perhaps the religion of Christ now has become the religion of the priests. People obey them and follow their interpretations and have replaced Jesus with ministers and clergy who for the next 2,000 years will continue to say Christ’s return is ‘just around the corner’ wait a little longer.

Religious leaders are the first to deny God, the first to crucify, kill, exile, torture and imprison the Prophets and yet people still follow them as if they are gods.

God gave us individual minds not to follow others but to seek out truth for ourselves. So what happened? These preachers and teachers have so far split Christianity into over 40,000 sects when clearly the Bible teaches unity and oneness. So some people follow a pope but what happened to following Jesus? Other religions suffer the same disunity at the hands of self appointed leaders.

Popes, ministers, clergy, elders, mullahs and priests now are the new Christ, the new God and run the religion of God the way they dictate not the way God commanded them to but billions follow them.

Now we are all seeing for ourselves how the clergy really are and what they have been doing secretly and how they have been abusing the religion of God and abusing children and inciting terrorism blowing up innocent people.

This is the age when we dispose of these people altogether and have committees or elected bodies to run religion. And interpretations should be left to individuals not any self proclaimed priest. Only the Prophets have any real authority from God not any clergy or minister.

Agreed! There is the one bit in the Bible about "The individual Priesthood of the Believer' 1 Peter 2:5-9. Sadly most believers are casual enough about it that they do not regularly study the Bible, so give themselves over to be led as one who has a hook in their nose. Often when I disagree with a speaker, I am told that I have a problem with authority. Well they got that right.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi · Mar 10, 2019

Neuropteron said:
The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy.

He found that Christendoms Christianity was meaningless, existing in name only, while we live a life of paganism.

He wrote:
"Christianity of the New Testament variety does not exist in Christendom.
Christendom has not ventured defiantly or revolted openly against Christianity. Oh no! Rather she has hypocritically and knavishly done away with Christianity by falsifying the definition of what is Christian.
Christendom is playing Christianity, taking God for a fool!"

[Reference:He published a series of articles in the newspaper Fædrelandet and followed up with a periodical, which was called The Instant. ]

These are strong accusations.

What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Modern Christian American's in a nutshell.

1213 · Mar 10, 2019

Neuropteron said:
...
What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Probably that “Christian” are not often really disciples of Jesus like in the Bible and don’t remain in the teachings of Jesus.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness. You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the platter, that the outside of it may become clean also. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Matt. 23:25-28

Unfortunately many “Christians” are like those pharisees.

Faithofchristian · Mar 10, 2019

Neuropteron said:
The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy.

He found that Christendoms Christianity was meaningless, existing in name only, while we live a life of paganism.

He wrote:
"Christianity of the New Testament variety does not exist in Christendom.
Christendom has not ventured defiantly or revolted openly against Christianity. Oh no! Rather she has hypocritically and knavishly done away with Christianity by falsifying the definition of what is Christian.
Christendom is playing Christianity, taking God for a fool!"

[Reference:He published a series of articles in the newspaper Fædrelandet and followed up with a periodical, which was called The Instant. ]

These are strong accusations.

What do you think moved him to take such a position?

Seeing that The Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard(1813-1855) charged Christendom with open hypocrisy)

Had no idea that there are two groups of Christians in the world.

Then of course he would look at Christendom as being one Christian of people.
But had he studied what Christ Jesus said.

Then maybe, just maybe he would haved realized that there are two groups of Christians in the world. And not just one group, As many people believe there are.

What you have is one group of Christians that follow man's teachings.

And the other group of Christians, that only follows the teachings of Christ Jesus.

There lays the big difference between them both.

2ndpillar · Mar 10, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
Yes, humans are so much in need of a redeemer

but even with all the faults and weaknesses whose who look to Him in faith 'Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers' (Hebrews 2:11) and 'God is not ashamed to be called their God' (Hebrews 11:16)

Hebrews 2:11, is by an unknown writer, whose writing is often attributed to the false prophet Paul, whose lead these "Christians" follow. As for what will happen to the "many", they will follow the "false prophets to "destruction" (Matthew 7:15 & 13). As for a "redeemer", the "light" came, but the darkness "didn't comprehend it" (John 1:5).

whirlingmerc · Mar 10, 2019

2ndpillar said:
Hebrews 2:11, is by an unknown writer, whose writing is often attributed to the false prophet Paul, whose lead these "Christians" follow. As for what will happen to the "many", they will follow the "false prophets to "destruction" (Matthew 7:15 & 13). As for a "redeemer", the "light" came, but the darkness "didn't comprehend it" (John 1:5).

You say Paul was a false prophet. I see more reason to believe he was a real prophet.
I think we would agree there are false prophets and even Paul said so various times. The apostle Peter in his letter did refer to Paul's writings as scripture, suggesting Peter is not seeing eye to eye with you on that.

Since Paul raised the dead, healed the lame, cast out demons and preached the good news, Paul should be considered seriously. I think his insights into the Old Testament are remarkable

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2ndpillar · Mar 10, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
You say Paul was a false prophet. I see more reason to believe he was a real prophet.
I think we would agree there are false prophets and even Paul said so various times

You will know the false prophets by their rotten fruit. (Matthew 7:15-22). The "Christian"/Gentile church is the fruit of Paul's false gospel of grace/cross, which nails the law to the cross, whereas Yeshua says "I do not know you" to those who "prophecies in my name", "you who practice lawlessness". There are "false prophets" (Matthew 7:15), who are as "ravenous wolves" (Genesis 49:27), and there is the "false prophet" of Revelation 16:13, whose demon spirit is running around today. That would be the false prophet, who said, "he is in the wilderness", whom you are "not to believe them".

2ndpillar · Mar 10, 2019

1213 said:
Probably that “Christian” are not often really disciples of Jesus like in the Bible and don’t remain in the teachings of Jesus.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness. You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the platter, that the outside of it may become clean also. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Matt. 23:25-28

Unfortunately many “Christians” are like those pharisees.

And why is that? Do they follow a Pharisee?

whirlingmerc · Mar 10, 2019

2ndpillar said:
You will know the false prophets by their rotten fruit. (Matthew 7:15-22). The "Christian"/Gentile church is the fruit of Paul's false gospel of grace/cross, which nails the law to the cross, whereas Yeshua says "I do not know you" to those who "prophecies in my name", "you who practice lawlessness". There are "false prophets" (Matthew 7:15), who are as "ravenous wolves" (Genesis 49:27), and there is the "false prophet" of Revelation 16:13, whose demon spirit is running around today. That would be the false prophet, who said, "he is in the wilderness", whom you are "not to believe them".

So you disagree with Peter on that? because Peter considered Paul's writings to be scripture?

Or you were not aware?

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. Paul did not believe in 'lawlessness' and said 'the man of lawlessness' was the AntiChrist. Paul appears to have believed in a saving faith that bears fruit of good works and love but it's all grace. Saved by grace through faith alone but not saved by faith that is alone.

lostwanderingsoul · Mar 10, 2019

I would not say Christians are pretending. But they have been deceived. Satan took control of the early church around the third century and made people think they were following God's teachings when they were really following mostly pagan ideas. So they are sincerely following what they think is Christianity but it is not.

2ndpillar · Mar 10, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
So you disagree with Peter on that? because Peter considered Paul's writings to be scripture?

Or you were not aware?

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. Paul did not believe in 'lawlessness' and said 'the man of lawlessness' was the AntiChrist. Paul appears to have believed in a saving faith that bears fruit of good works and love but it's all grace. Saved by grace through faith alone but not saved by faith that is alone.

I think Paul is all things to all men. You can pick and choose from among his quips. As for 2 Peter, that was written most probably by some unknown author. Paul called Peter a "presumed" "pillar" (Galatians 2) and a hypocrite, neither something said in public about a friend. As for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17), Peter, he would not care, tend or feed the sheep, put "leave the flock" as was noted in Acts 15:7. He would actually deny Yeshua 3 times to fulfill Zechariah 13:9. He would also fulfill Isaiah 22:15-25, and as steward in charge of the royal household, would "shame" his master's house", and his successor, who had the keys, and when he "opened no one could shut", "in that day", the day of the LORD", he would "fall", and all hanging onto him would be "cut off". Peter and Paul, according to Zechariah 11:7-9, were fellow shepherds chosen to "pasture the flock doomed for slaughter", who along with a 3rd shepherd, Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13), were to die in the same generation (Zechariah 11:8). I don't think one should build their house based on 2 Peter 3:15, according to Matthew 7:24-27.

whirlingmerc · Mar 10, 2019

2ndpillar said:
I think Paul is all things to all men. You can pick and choose from among his quips. As for 2 Peter, that was written most probably by some unknown author. Paul called Peter a "presumed" "pillar" (Galatians 2) and a hypocrite, neither something said in public about a friend. As for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17), Peter, he would not care, tend or feed the sheep, put "leave the flock" as was noted in Acts 15:7. He would actually deny Yeshua 3 times to fulfill Zechariah 13:9. He would also fulfill Isaiah 22:15-25, and as steward in charge of the royal household, would "shame" his master's house", and his successor, who had the keys, and when he "opened no one could shut", "in that day", the day of the LORD", he would "fall", and all hanging onto him would be "cut off". Peter and Paul, according to Zechariah 11:7-9, were fellow shepherds chosen to "pasture the flock doomed for slaughter", who along with a 3rd shepherd, Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13), were to die in the same generation (Zechariah 11:8). I don't think one should build their house based on 2 Peter 3:15, according to Matthew 7:24-27.

If you don't believe various books of the Bible are written by who they claim who do you know what Paul wrote?

OK so you don't believe in the New Testament

2ndpillar · Mar 10, 2019

lostwanderingsoul said:
I would not say Christians are pretending. But they have been deceived. Satan took control of the early church around the third century and made people think they were following God's teachings when they were really following mostly pagan ideas. So they are sincerely following what they think is Christianity but it is not.

"All those who dwell on the earth" unless "written in the book of life", have been deceived (Revelation 13:8-14) by the "beast". It was in the 4th century, 325 AD, that "another beast", the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, who had authority of the "beast" who was "slain", Julius Caesar, that the Roman church was instituted, but on the foundation of Peter and Paul, who Constantine glorified by building basilica for each. Basilicas are churches built in the form of the Constantine's god Sol Invictus's cross. The authority for the institutionalizing of the Roman church was that position Julius Caesar took from the head pagan priests, the position of Pontifex Maximus. The two Christ like leaders, the horns like a lamb, where Peter and Paul. And now for the rest of story.

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