Atheism is ILLEGAL?

lewisnotmiller · Mar 9, 2019

Matheist said:
The whole nation? You must be kidding.. lol

Internet Trolls can be Prosecuted Under Australian Law

You were linking atheism and terrorism.
I'm asking if nations which have large percentages of atheists are therefore terrorist nations.
Or does your linking of atheism and terrorism only apply if...well...I have no idea, since it made no sense to me.

Internet trolling laws in Australia now? I mean...my advice is to try and stay on topic. It's challenging enough to get simple answers to simple questions from you without you making veiled (and quite ridiculous) trolling references to me.

Matheist said:
Do you have any idea about public policy and the "interpretation methodology" etc?

Public policy, yes, "interpretation methodology" no. Feel free to link me to anything on it.
Regardless, the Declaration of Independence isn't a Constitution for even one country. You quote from it and talk about ALL constitutions. Inaccurate.

Matheist said:
Is militant Atheist an Atheist?

Yep. But they're not atheism.
Just like a Catholic is a theist, yet doesn't speak for theism.

Matheist said:
Please bring evidence.

Of what? That your post is insight less drivel? I offer the entirety of your post as evidence.

Evangelicalhumanist · Mar 9, 2019

Jollybear said:
God gave freedom to people to choose to be atheist or theist, but he gave no right to people to be atheist because atheism is not right, its wrong.

A freedom is not a right.

The constitution says we have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But, thats the constitution.

In Gods kingdom, you have no right to life, liberty or the persuit of happiness because life and liberty and the opertunity to persue happiness are GIFTS, not rights.

A right is an entitlement.

I repeat back at you, with precisely all of the same evidence, what you've said, except I make one small change: "atheism is not wrong, its right." And if you have evidence to show me incorrect, this would be the time to present it.

Dan From Smithville · Mar 9, 2019

Matheist said:
It defines and established the meaning of God as "Nature's God". All mankind agree with this as it can be found in all religious texts. It is the validity for anything to be called God.

THEREFORE, the definition of Atheism:

atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God.

Providing a definition is not legislation of that definition as law that criminalizes a lack of belief in the object of the definition.

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
Could it be said that Atheism is unconstitutional and illegal?

The terrorist ideology and doctrines?

PREMISE: God means:

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident...

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

He made all gods same god [LordLaw of Nature & Nature's God]. (Quran 38:5)

THEREFORE, the definition of Atheism:

atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God.

Atheism rejects public policy and the Constitution; of all countries.

Atheism rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, The United Nation.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

It is the actus reus and mens rea of a criminal.

Those Atheist are scary, aren't they?

blü 2 · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
Could it be said that Atheism is unconstitutional and illegal?

The terrorist ideology and doctrines?

PREMISE: God means:

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident...

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

He made all gods same god [LordLaw of Nature & Nature's God]. (Quran 38:5)

THEREFORE, the definition of Atheism:

atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God.

Atheism rejects public policy and the Constitution; of all countries.

Atheism rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, The United Nation.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

It is the actus reus and mens rea of a criminal.

Not so fast.

The Laws of Nature are mentioned first. And supernatural religion isn't compatible with physics.

If it's true that religion is the straitjacket of the mind then perhaps the religious are already imprisoned anyway.

If that's not the case, then someone will need to run a test case up to POTUS.

sayak83 · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
Could it be said that Atheism is unconstitutional and illegal?

The terrorist ideology and doctrines?

PREMISE: God means:

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident...

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

He made all gods same god [LordLaw of Nature & Nature's God]. (Quran 38:5)

THEREFORE, the definition of Atheism:

atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God.

Atheism rejects public policy and the Constitution; of all countries.

Atheism rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, The United Nation.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

It is the actus reus and mens rea of a criminal.

D- in reading comprehension skills...though I suspect it's through deliberate intent.

SomeRandom · Mar 10, 2019

sayak83 said:
D- in reading comprehension skills...though I suspect it's through deliberate intent.

Wow, you're a pretty lenient marker. I gave the performance an F. (I gave some credit that it was at least kind of funny.)

ChristineM · Mar 10, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I observe that people will say the cruelest things,
excusing them by claiming "the truth".

Is that my queue???

But you are absolutely correct... Again, you are making this a habit ;-)

ChristineM · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
I'm presenting the Law.

Claim + Reason + Evidence + No Fallacy

How can it be an insult?

An Atheist have no proof against Nature's God and mere insult.

See the difference?

Yet you have provided no statute, absolutely no reason, in fact the total opposite, no evidence whatsoever, and biassed fallacy from the start.

And that is insult

Actually there is considerable evidence that gods, as told in scripture do not and cannot exist, you simply refuse to ignore the evidence

However you know as well as anyone else that no proof exists for any god existing. But that knowledge goes against your faith (thats FAITH).

The difference is between faith and reality which it appears you do not discriminate

ChristineM · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
You reject the official definition of Atheism, and claim to be an Atheist? Is that hypocrisy or what?

That, my dear is in your mind.

I do not reject it, i simply do now own it, so i reject your wording.

Yerda · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
Atheism is the disbelief or lack of belief in "The Universeal Declaration of Human Rights and the Constitution (Nature's God)"

Therefore, an Atheist must migrate to remote Island and where there is no country. They lose citizenship.

No, atheism is not believing in God. Neither the UDHR or your US constitution require people to believe in God. Not believing in God is protected by UDHR and freedom of religion.

Shad · Mar 10, 2019

I would like to thank everyone for the ratings on my posts. Also I would like to thanks Matheist for making those posts possible! /s

Shad · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
This thread is not about you, but about the Creed of an Atheist to "disbelief or lack of belief in "The Founding Principles and Universal Declaration of Human Rights (NATURE'S GOD)".

Which you have done nothing to support your point.

It is without belief in The Law

Wrong

It is without belief in Basic Human Rights.

Wrong

Therefore, they are Criminal ( = against Public Policy) and should lose Citizenship.

Nope. One must commit a crime to be a criminal

Perhaps, people should lodge a report to the Commission and their Governments etc.

https://www.stoponlineabuse.org.uk/
Government launches anti-trolling website to help victims of online abuse

Babble.

QuestioningMind · Mar 10, 2019

Matheist said:
Could it be said that Atheism is unconstitutional and illegal?

The terrorist ideology and doctrines?

PREMISE: God means:

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident...

The Declaration of Independence: Full text

He made all gods same god [LordLaw of Nature & Nature's God]. (Quran 38:5)

THEREFORE, the definition of Atheism:

atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God.

Atheism rejects public policy and the Constitution; of all countries.

Atheism rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, The United Nation.
Universal Declaration of Human Rights

It is the actus reus and mens rea of a criminal.

Could it be that Mathiest has extremely weak faith and that why he's so obsessed with making posts about nonbelievers? I suspect that it is. He feels terribly threatened by anyone who can see through the ridiculous claims made by theists because deep down he knows that he'd deluding himself and it scares him to death.

Revoltingest · Mar 10, 2019

QuestioningMind said:
Could it be that Mathiest has extremely weak faith and that why he's so obsessed with making posts about nonbelievers? I suspect that it is. He feels terribly threatened by anyone who can see through the ridiculous claims made by theists because deep down he knows that he'd deluding himself and it scares him to death.

We really shouldn't be dissing another poster, particularly in 3rd person.

viole · Mar 11, 2019

Matheist said:
It is freedom to make void the others. There is nothing in the Atheism says it is rooted from science, logic, philosophy, facts etc. What kind of freedom is this?

We do not rally need science to dismiss gods. It would be like using an atomic bomb to kill a mosquito.

Ciao

- viole

A Vestigial Mote · Mar 11, 2019

Matheist said:
P1: DoI unanimously declared Law of Nature/Nature's God is the Founding Principles of USA

This is inaccurate. What it is citing when it invokes "God" in making the declaration of America's independence is as an appeal to freedom/rights/liberties granted us within nature (only assumed by "the God of Nature") It doesn't state that God is the founding principle at all.

Here's the relevant part you quoted:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

They are saying that when people disagree and one party wants to break off the relationship with the other, then each party's equal standing as viewed from the eyes of God/nature, suggests that a decent/respectable thing to do is to declare the reasons for the intent to break the relationship. That's all it says. It says NOTHING about God being a basis for anything. Just that, in the eyes of God/nature, men are equal, and in being equal, it behooves one to respect the standing of the other, and adhere to some basic etiquette in the treatment of human-to-human relations. Had this been written today, it could have very well had a substitution of "the laws of nature and our universe within which they are applied." They were just calling for the reader to put their perspective 10,000 feet up and look down on humans as a whole - a vantage point from which differences are not visible or relevant.

Basically, early Americans were setting the stage for Great Britain to have to recognize them as a respectable party, by first addressing them with respect and laying out the idea that everyone involved were "equals." Britain would have had to come back and state "we're not equals, you are our subordinates" after addressing the DOI in the way that the Americans did. It was a way to force Britain's hand into displaying themselves as unreasonable if they were to come back in any way that showed such a lack of respect. A way to sort of force Britain to disrespect America if they were to claim ownership or dominance, and give Americans further ammunition to entrench themselves in their position, should the separation require enforcement.

The wording of this was not, in any way, to set the stage for God to be a founding principle in the country's development.

SkepticThinker · Mar 11, 2019

Matheist said:
The creed for Atheism is against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Constitution ... They have no respect for mankind and void. "Unconstitutional", and it is real.

Huh?

Revoltingest · Mar 11, 2019

SkepticThinker said:
Huh?

I had no idea that I believed all these things I don't believe.

LuisDantas · Mar 11, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I had no idea that I believed all these things I don't believe.

It is getting real bureaucratic to be an atheist, uh?

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