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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
3 Billion years....that long?.

Yup. The earth has been reliably dated about 4.5 billion years--give or take. The first life appeared, roughly 1 to 1.5 billion years later, according to the best evidence we have so far.

Doing the math, it took the first couple of billion years of single-cell life to evolve into muli-cellular life forms. So, yeah, about 3 billion years from whatever the start was, to now.

If there was a god doing this? Such a god appears to be kind of ... inept.
Matter and anti-matter cannot just pop up by itself.

you know this ... because? What is your evidence? What makes you say this?
Unless of course, somebody did it, don't you think?.

Argument From Incredulity Logical Fallacy.

Nope, I don't think. In fact? I have no idea-- neither do you. Could be a Magical Super-being. Likely not, though-- it's more likely a Super Being would have left.... detectable traces.
Somebody who could finish everything in less than a week.

Surely, you are joking. But if not? Why would a Super Being require... rest?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Yup. The earth has been reliably dated about 4.5 billion years--give or take. The first life appeared, roughly 1 to 1.5 billion years later, according to the best evidence we have so far.

Doing the math, it took the first couple of billion years of single-cell life to evolve into muli-cellular life forms. So, yeah, about 3 billion years from whatever the start was, to now.

If there was a god doing this? Such a god appears to be kind of ... inept.


you know this ... because? What is your evidence? What makes you say this?


Argument From Incredulity Logical Fallacy.

Nope, I don't think. In fact? I have no idea-- neither do you. Could be a Magical Super-being. Likely not, though-- it's more likely a Super Being would have left.... detectable traces.


Surely, you are joking. But if not? Why would a Super Being require... rest?

Did the Lord God tire out requiring rest?

Genesis 2:2 Expanded Bible (EXB)

By the seventh day God ·finished [completed] the work he had been doing, so he ·rested [or ceased] from all his work [L he had done].

Isaiah 40:28 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become tired or grow weary;
There is no searching of His understanding.

It is my opinion, Sir Bob, that even you have 5 billion years looking at nothing, it will still be nothing.

I believe nothing will be nothing and nothing can produce something because someone did something.

I believe if nothing was done even for 15 billion years, nothing will result and

I believe someone made at least 60,000 species of trees on the third day.

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"Trees" (1913)
By: Alfred Joyce Kilmer

Trees by Joyce Kilmer

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Did the Lord God tire out requiring rest?

Genesis 2:2 Expanded Bible (EXB)

By the seventh day God ·finished [completed] the work he had been doing, so he ·rested [or ceased] from all his work [L he had done].

Isaiah 40:28 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become tired or grow weary;
There is no searching of His understanding.

It is my opinion, Sir Bob, that even you have 5 billion years looking at nothing, it will still be nothing.

I believe nothing will be nothing and nothing can produce something because someone did something.

I believe if nothing was done even for 15 billion years, nothing will result and

I believe someone made at least 60,000 species of trees on the third day.

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"Trees" (1913)
By: Alfred Joyce Kilmer

Trees by Joyce Kilmer

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree


None of that explains why God apparently needed a nap and perhaps a strong cuppa coffee, after just 6 days...

Kind of like why couldn't God simply forgive? Why does something need to be brutally slain, first?

Is God some sort of psychopath, or what?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
None of that explains why God apparently needed a nap and perhaps a strong cuppa coffee, after just 6 days...

Kind of like why couldn't God simply forgive? Why does something need to be brutally slain, first?

Is God some sort of psychopath, or what?

He rested means He stopped or ceased in His work.

Why would God simply forgive?
He did.

Ezekiel 18:4-24 New International Version (NIV)

For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

“Suppose there is a righteous man
who does what is just and right.
He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife
or have sexual relations with a woman during her period.
He does not oppress anyone,
but returns what he took in pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
He does not lend to them at interest
or take a profit from them.
He withholds his hand from doing wrong
and judges fairly between two parties.
He follows my decrees
and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous;
he will surely live,
declares the Sovereign Lord.

“Suppose he has a violent son, who sheds blood or does any of these other things (though the father has done none of them):

“He eats at the mountain shrines.
He defiles his neighbor’s wife.
He oppresses the poor and needy.
He commits robbery.
He does not return what he took in pledge.
He looks to the idols.
He does detestable things.
He lends at interest and takes a profit.

Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head.

“But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:

“He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife.
He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
He withholds his hand from mistreating the poor
and takes no interest or profit from them.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

“Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.

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Signs and Symptoms of Psychopathy

Psychopathy: Definition, Symptoms, Signs and Causes | HealthyPlace

The signs and symptoms of psychopathy are identified most commonly in scientific studies by Hare's 20-item Psychopathy Checklist-Revised. This checklist identifies the following as the symptoms and signs of psychopathy:

  1. Superficial charm and glibness
  2. Inflated sense of self-worth
  3. Constant need for stimulation
  4. Lying pathologically
  5. Conning others; being manipulative
  6. Lack of remorse or guilt
  7. Shallow emotions
  8. Callousness; lack of empathy
  9. Using others (a parasitic lifestyle)
  10. Poor control over behavior
  11. Promiscuous sexual behavior
  12. Behavioral problems early in life
  13. Lack of realistic, long-term goals
  14. Being impulsive
  15. Being irresponsible
  16. Blaming others and refusing to accept responsibility
  17. Having several marital relationships
  18. Delinquency when young
  19. Revocation of conditional release
  20. Criminal acts in several realms (criminal versatility)
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
He rested means He stopped or ceased in His work.
But only in 2 of the 51 Bibles (4%) I checked; the Expanded Bible and the Amplified Bible. And ceasing to work certainly does not mean resting, so this ploy to redefine "rested" is a waste of time.

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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
But only in 2 of the 51 Bibles (4%) I checked; the Expanded Bible and the Amplified Bible. And ceasing to work certainly does not mean resting, so this ploy to redefine "rested" is a waste of time.

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Skwim, determining a biblical truth does not require a bible count [how many translations would say rested and how many would say stop or cease]. What makes sense is what we are after.

If we would be stiff neck to blindly accept that on the seventh day, God rested because he was tired - it would run contrary to another verse in the Bible

Isaiah 40:28 New International Version (NIV)
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.

He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

It is our understanding that all of scriptures have its partner and everything do not run contrary to each other as this is written in the Bible:

Isaiah 34:16 New International Version (NIV)
Look in the scroll of the Lord and read:

None of these will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is his mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Skwim, determining a biblical truth does not require a bible count [how many translations would say rested and how many would say stop or cease]. What makes sense is what we are after.

If we would be stiff neck to blindly accept that on the seventh day, God rested because he was tired - it would run contrary to another verse in the Bible

Isaiah 40:28 New International Version (NIV)
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,

and his understanding no one can fathom.

It is our understanding that all of scriptures have its partner and everything do not run contrary to each other as this is written in the Bible:

Isaiah 34:16 New International Version (NIV)
Look in the scroll of the Lord and read:

None of these will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is his mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.
Sorry, but redefining words so as to resolve obvious contradictions doesn't wash. All those scholars who chose to use "rested" instead of "ceased" did so because they wanted the reader to understand that god not only stopped but "rested."


RESTED
verb (used without object)
to refresh oneself, as by sleeping, lying down, or relaxing.
to relieve weariness by cessation of exertion or labor.

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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Sorry, but redefining words so as to resolve obvious contradictions doesn't wash. All those scholars who chose to use "rested" instead of "ceased" did so because they wanted the reader to understand that god not only stopped but "rested."

RESTED
verb (used without object)
to refresh oneself, as by sleeping, lying down, or relaxing.
to relieve weariness by cessation of exertion or labor.

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Even you have a thousand scholars
A thousand bibles
A thousand angels
A thousand years of thinking
It would not change the fact that in

Isaiah 40:28 New International Version (NIV)
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,

and his understanding no one can fathom.

Let us not be zombies, mindless and dead
If it is written, then how can one who hasn't lived even 120 years change it?
Not even the POTUS can change it.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Even you have a thousand scholars
A thousand bibles
A thousand angels
A thousand years of thinking
It would not change the fact that in

Isaiah 40:28 New International Version (NIV)
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,

and his understanding no one can fathom.

Let us not be zombies, mindless and dead
If it is written, then how can one who hasn't lived even 120 years change it?
Not even the POTUS can change it.
Even you have a thousand scholars
A thousand bibles
A thousand angels
A thousand years of thinking
It would not change the fact that in

Genesis 2:2 New International Version (NIV)
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

Let us not be zombies, mindless and dead
If it is written, then how can one who hasn't lived even 120 years change it?
Not even the POTUS can change it.
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MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Even you have a thousand scholars
A thousand bibles
A thousand angels
A thousand years of thinking
It would not change the fact that in

Genesis 2:2 New International Version (NIV)
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

Let us not be zombies, mindless and dead
If it is written, then how can one who hasn't lived even 120 years change it?
Not even the POTUS can change it.
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Is the legal counsel tired?
Need a vacation?
A cat nap maybe?
He cease his case.

Nothing more your honor.
:hugehug:
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
And ceasing to work certainly does not mean resting,
when I cease to work....I rest

when I rest....I am not working

and the script I keep declares that no more would be created
(after Day Six)

looks like God ......ceased .....his work
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The follow on question has to be about babies (who obviously didn't know) why did they go to Limbo? I know this was changed about 20 years ago

I believe there used to be a waiting list for a new life. Obviously God has a purpose for doling those out but unless the person was a suicide in their previous life, the purpose might trump the waiting list.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Quite the interesting religious paradox isn't it? Earth's indigenous cultures apparently have this innocent ignorance when it comes to the evangelization from members of the Abrahamic traditions. They see these cultures ignorant of the "true faith" because they've never picked up a Bible or a Qur'an so to save them from their ignorant innocence they tell them thereby making them accountable when they didn't have to be before.

I believe that is not true. They have always been accountable. They just didn't know it.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
when I cease to work....I rest

when I rest....I am not working

and the script I keep declares that no more would be created
(after Day Six)

looks like God ......ceased .....his work
Sometimes when I cease to work on a job or project I go on to another. :shrug:

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