Shad
Veteran Member
Omar used antisemtic tropes. Bernie is clueless but that is his natural state.
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Bernie defends Omar
- Thread starter David1967
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Omar used antisemtic tropes. Bernie is clueless but that is his natural state.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Care to explain that?
Yerda
Veteran Member
That Omar is a Muslim extremist, that occupation refers to the Israeli state (rather than the occupied territories), that Arafat was given what he asked for and gave the US and Israel the finger instead.
You could be right about all of this for all I know, I'm curious if it's something you come to by reasoning as opposed to just tribal rhetoric.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I gave the quote on the 'occupation'; and one simply has to look up the Oslo I accord and what Arafat did afterwards.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Basically, in modern context, the West had meddled in the ME incessantly since WWI, and things have consistently gotten worse. Borders were drawn up by the British and French, and sectarian violence was flamed as ethnic and religious groups who were hostile towards each other were lumped into the same nation. The West continued to meddle, and the Islamic Revolution took hold. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were supported, and that didn't work out well in the end. Sadam was overthrown, and the world got ISIS in return.
Let Israel and Palestine sort out their own affairs. America really needs to learn how to let go of problems that aren't of it's own. A country isn't a person, but we are still nevertheless seeing detrimental consequences from over exerting ourselves and picking up problems that aren't our problems to pick up. In theory, we have the UN to act as a global mediator. There is no reason for America to play world police and hero. It tends to get us stuck in expensive, drawn out, and hugely unpopular wars when we do (Can anyone really say the policy of Containment was successful?).
Are you serious? You just insulted young people, as if we should shut up because we're too young to have an opinion. Well, age doesn't make you wise. There's a ton of stupid old people and plenty of wise, intelligent young people. Israel is hardly some "cornered animal fighting for survival". You know that I get tourist ads on TV hyping up Tel Aviv and Jerusalem as hip vacation spots? I've never seen vacay for any other place in the ME, aside from the similarly corrupt Wahabbi-Zionist tyrannies of the Gulf States with their ill-gotten gains. Israel, with the undeclared nuclear weapons program that assuredly is supplied very nice by the US, is the underdog here? Israel, which is illegally occupying Palestinian land, is the underdog? Israel, which kills dozens/hundreds/thousands of Palestinian civilians and gets away with it seemingly every few months, is the underdog? Israel, which uses white phosphorus on civilians, is the underdog?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's actually hard to tell who's genuine or not anymore but he does seem to get some points for consistency.
Yerda
Veteran Member
There is an occupation though, at least according to the UN security council. The occupation in the quote may have been that rather than the Israeli state.
Why did you call her a Muslim extremist?
I'll have a look at the Oslo I outcomes when I get the chance. When I was younger I read from very leftwing sources and found out later that they weren't entirely true.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Can't say I disagree, except I don't think having Israel as an ally in meddling in their affairs; just as having any other country as an ally is meddling in their affairs. Also, I don't believe there is anyway to put the genie back in the bottle concerning what the west did or did not do in years past.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
America is more than just allies with Israel. More like "big brother's got your back" type of thing, complete with money and arms in amounts not received by other nations.
And no, we can't put the genie back in the bottle. What's done has been done and can't be undone. But after decades and generations of endless conflict over there, it's time we pull out and refocus to a more global effort in the event another terrorist group poses an international threat. Outside of that, we need to be able to actually say the fighting and dying our troops do is actually for us and not the benefit of a few individuals and a doomed resistance.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Are you serious? You just insulted young people, as if we should shut up because we're too young to have an opinion. Well, age doesn't make you wise. There's a ton of stupid old people and plenty of wise, intelligent young people. Israel is hardly some "cornered animal fighting for survival". You know that I get tourist ads on TV hyping up Tel Aviv and Jerusalem as hip vacation spots? I've never seen vacay for any other place in the ME, aside from the similarly corrupt Wahabbi-Zionist tyrannies of the Gulf States with their ill-gotten gains. Israel, with the undeclared nuclear weapons program that assuredly is supplied very nice by the US, is the underdog here? Israel, which is illegally occupying Palestinian land, is the underdog? Israel, which kills dozens/hundreds/thousands of Palestinian civilians and gets away with it seemingly every few months, is the underdog? Israel, which uses white phosphorus on civilians, is the underdog?
I was young once, Grasshopper. Don't be a drama queen. I won' have any discussion with you if you are going to be all yelly and confrontive.
Asking questions is being a "drama queen"?
There's no all-caps or exclamation marks in that post, so I don't know how you're seeing that as yelling.
Look, you can answer my post or not. I don't care if you respond but don't tone police me as a distraction.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Omar from my understanding is a US Representative.
I looked at it the job description of a US Representative.
The House Explained | House.gov
Her opinions are fine, but I'm wondering if any of these people are actually doing their job?
I looked at it the job description of a US Representative.
The House Explained | House.gov
Her opinions are fine, but I'm wondering if any of these people are actually doing their job?
I just googled "Omar's anti-Semitic tropes" and several articles came up saying that there were some, and how outraged people are by them, etc., etc. But so far I haven't been able to find any actual examples of said tropes.
Can someone help me out?
Can someone help me out?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
But we don't have troops in Israel, but, again, I don't disagree with your point about troops in other ME countries.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
At most all I can find is she criticized American political support as being "all about the Benjamins." And although we criticize the involvement of money being involved in politics pretty much everywhere else, apparently this is supposed to be off limits because it involves Jews and their are stereotypes of Jews and money.
Taking things way too personally seems to be the case. Too bad people haven't taken Bill Maher up on his challenge to demand an apology out of him (that I know of, anyways).
I’m sure you will be thrilled to know that David Duke agrees with you!
David Duke praises Rep. Ilhan Omar
He also endorsed Trump during the election, so you sure you want to play that card?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
So? If two people can agree on absolutely nothing they're probably lying.
Actually David Duke now doesn’t endorse Trump for President, he endorses Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat. Ex-KKK leader David Duke backs Tulsi Gabbard for president It seems his support of Trump wasn’t really strong after all. So, yeah, David Duke loves all kinds of Democrats.