Why do science hide the truth?

Amanaki said:

I dont say science always hide truth
But why do science sometimes not tell the full story? can it be because then they would show to the people that we have been fooled for ages? example is Egypt pyramid in Giza, Why do you think they said it was Tutankhamun burial site when it was never found any pharao within the pyramid? can it be because they did not want us to know that egypt 5000-2500 years ago was actually a lot more advanced then we think? because WOW it would be strange that previous times was more advanced then we are today, right?

The Great Pyramids' true purpose has now been revealed - NTD Inspired

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The problem is people are confusing pseudoscience with science. If this was accurate then it wouldn't be much of a problem constructing a working prototype.

I don't think science hides anything given that it's established through experimentation and peer review before it's accepted as scientific fact.

Faithofchristian said:

If time didn't exist and the universe didn't exist, Then explain exactly what caused the big bang .
Seeing how you said nothing was there
So how did the big bang come about if nothing was there.

Don't say this happen or that happen no, nothing was there remember.

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Sometimes things just happen. But to speculate on the cause of the explosion of expansion is really no different to suggest that god did it. That’s not what science is about, it wants to deal with falsifiable evidence, not speculate on something it cannot support without evidence, so it is content to simply say “I don’t know” and call it a day. Perhaps there will be a time when we can literally prove what caused the Big Bang. Until then there are other matter that can be investigated in the mean time. A much more productive use of time.
But to place an instigator like God in the mix would require solid independently reviewable evidence that that’s what happened.

Faithofchristian said:

If to what you say is true, Then what caused the Big Bang theory.
If you notice the word ( theory) you do know what theory means.
It means its only a theory without evidence.
That it's just someone's Theory, opinion, suggestion. and that's all it is.

So that's all the Big Bang is just a theory an option a suggestion without any substance to it.

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Scientific theory - Wikipedia
It took me less than 30 seconds to find that. Literally. Not to mention everyone and their grandmother knows the difference between theory and Theory these days.

Faithofchristian said:

As I have all the evidence I need, just because you can't accept it, it's no fault of mine

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You have no evidence that you could use to convince someone else that God definitively exists.

I believe He does, but I cannot provide evidence to establish that as fact to another. You cannot either.

The fact that you are covert about it, is evidence that I am correct. The fact that no one has ever been able to do this is evidence that I am correct. The fact that no one needs to in order for me to believe on faith is evidence that I am correct.

Faithofchristian said:

And Theory is just that, a Speculation, an opinion, suggestion, but nothing base on actual evidence of someone being there to give witness

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Not in science it is not.

For example, the theory of evolution is the most well supported theory in science and forms the basis of modern biology.

The evidence supporting the theory of evolution is found in the following.

The fossil record. The geological record. Homology. Cytogenetics. Molecular biology. Genetics. Comparative anatomy, physiology, genomics and proteomics Examples of evolution occurring now, like bacterial, insect and weed resistance to chemicals. Physics. Chemistry. Plant and animal breeding. All of these are evidence or sources of numerous pieces of evidence upon which the theory of evolution is formulated.

I have news for you. The theories of evolution and the Big Bang have not folded just because you are in denial or quaking in fear due to weak faith.

Faithofchristian said:

There is evidence, but why do i need to waste my time and your time, when you know and I know that you wouldn't accept it anyway.

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So, you keep on demanding lots of evidence from everybody else but won't produce any for your own ideas...

Matthew 7:5

Faithofchristian said:

Can you say what caused the big bang.

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It's not clear that a cause is needed but I've already said that nobody knows for sure, so why are you still going on about it?

Faithofchristian said:

As I didn't make no mentioning of time, only that scientist are limited in their understanding and knowledge of what exactly happened trillions and trillions of years ago.

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It has been explaind to you that time started with the universe, there was no trillions and trillions of years ago.Time does not go back that far.
Scientists are not hiding anything from you, it is just that you do not have sufficient knowledge and understandig to grasp what they are saying.

If there are other universes, and there might well be. They are not separated from this one by Time and space, there are separated by dimension, an entirely different concept.

Polymath257 said:

We don't know.

We don't know that there *was* a cause.

In fact, it only makes sense to talk about a cause if *something* existed before, which requires time. The only way *that* makes sense is in some sort of multiverse scenario.

But even in a multiverse scenario, it may well be that our universe was a quantum event that was itself uncaused. We simply do not know right now. And until we have a tested theory of quantum gravity, we won't know.

So, in return, why do you think it was caused? I strongly suspect it wasn't.

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Then how can anyone claim something if don't know the cause

Just because a person suspect something, doesn't mean it happened.
Like a person suspect a gas leak. It doesn't mean there is, they only suspect it.
Did they smell the gas leak, no they only suspected a gas leak. Without certain proof of evidence, What makes them to think it was gas leak.
As with the big bang theory, Without any certain proof of someone actually being there, how does anyone know for sure it happened that way.

Like a person who ( suspect) has an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.
So without any certain proof, so the big bang theory is nothing without any actual certain proof.


Well for something to happen like the big bang theory, there would be a cause for it to happen.
So what was behind the big bang theory for it to happen.

Polymath257 said:

Well, the point is that it is better to think of the universe as consisting of both space and time (along with all matter and energy). In this, spacetime simply exists. it isn't caused. And, in fact, it *cannot* be caused because causality only makes sense within spacetime.

So, I don't think there was a cause for the Big Bang. it simply represents the earliest time for our spacetime. Sort of like the south pole of the Earth represents the smallest latitude.

The Big Bang didn't 'come about'. it wasn't caused. Spacetime, as a whole, simply exists.

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But how does people know that for sure without any certain proof to back it up.

Unless of course someone can produce someone as actually being there to give witness of how it actually happened.

Otherwise it's just playing a big guessing game

(The Big Bang didn't 'come about'. it wasn't caused. Spacetime, as a whole, simply exists.) But how do you know that for sure, without any certain proof of evidence.

All a person is doing is taking a big wild guess, without any certain proof that's how it happened.

Polymath257 said:

Well, the point is that it is better to think of the universe as consisting of both space and time (along with all matter and energy). In this, spacetime simply exists. it isn't caused. And, in fact, it *cannot* be caused because causality only makes sense within spacetime.

So, I don't think there was a cause for the Big Bang. it simply represents the earliest time for our spacetime. Sort of like the south pole of the Earth represents the smallest latitude.

The Big Bang didn't 'come about'. it wasn't caused. Spacetime, as a whole, simply exists.

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To answer your last sentence at the very bottom, can you actually give proof of that, That Spacetime, as a whole, simply exist.
How do you know that for sure?
Was someone there to actually see that.

Where's the proof of that. So all a person has is speculation, suspect, opinion,Theory.
Without any proof of evidence thats all it is.
This brings me to remember when I was back in school and my science teacher, started to us kids, that how the big bang came about.
As he went to explain how the big bang came about, Then I ask him, can you explain to us what caused that to happen for the big bang to come about.

Then as he went into explain how this happened to bring the big bang to happen

Then I ask him, if he explain what caused that to happen

Then as he went into to explain that, Then I ask him, can you explain to us what caused that

Then he came to where he couldn't explain, that he started getting mad, because he found himself stuck of having nothing.
And showing that the big bang has nothing to support it.
Just someone's, speculation, suggestion, suspect, theory, opinion, without any certain proof of evidence.and that's all it amounts to.

SomeRandom said:

Sometimes things just happen. But to speculate on the cause of the explosion of expansion is really no different to suggest that god did it. That’s not what science is about, it wants to deal with falsifiable evidence, not speculate on something it cannot support without evidence, so it is content to simply say “I don’t know” and call it a day. Perhaps there will be a time when we can literally prove what caused the Big Bang. Until then there are other matter that can be investigated in the mean time. A much more productive use of time.
But to place an instigator like God in the mix would require solid independently reviewable evidence that that’s what happened.




Scientific theory - Wikipedia
It took me less than 30 seconds to find that. Literally. Not to mention everyone and their grandmother knows the difference between theory and Theory these days.

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As you said above ( Sometimes things just happen) As to how do you know that for sure, Without any certain proof of evidence. Explain exactly how you know that for sure.

You also said ( But to speculate on the cause of the explosion of expansion is really no different to suggest that god did it)
At lease God was there to see it happening.
Where's your evidence that someone was there to see it happening.
So all a person has is, speculation,theory, opinion, suspect, suggestion, without any certain proof of evidence. that someone was there to actually see it happening.

Therefore at lease I can produce someone actually being there. So what proof do you have of someone actually being there?

Faithofchristian said:

At lease God was there to see it happening.

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Where is you evidence for this assertion?

Faithofchristian said:

Therefore at lease I can produce someone actually being there.

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I bet you can't...

Dan From Smithville said:

You have no evidence that you could use to convince someone else that God definitively exists.

I believe He does, but I cannot provide evidence to establish that as fact to another. You cannot either.

The fact that you are covert about it, is evidence that I am correct. The fact that no one has ever been able to do this is evidence that I am correct. The fact that no one needs to in order for me to believe on faith is evidence that I am correct.

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I have God's word in the bible.

The same as you take a mans word, in and about things without any certain proof of evidence.

At lease I have God that was actually there, who can you give that was actually there to see it happening.

Therefore your not making any sense.
You complain because I take God's word
But yet you take man's word which man wasn't there to see it actually happening.

Dan From Smithville said:

Not in science it is not.

For example, the theory of evolution is the most well supported theory in science and forms the basis of modern biology.

The evidence supporting the theory of evolution is found in the following.

The fossil record. The geological record. Homology. Cytogenetics. Molecular biology. Genetics. Comparative anatomy, physiology, genomics and proteomics Examples of evolution occurring now, like bacterial, insect and weed resistance to chemicals. Physics. Chemistry. Plant and animal breeding. All of these are evidence or sources of numerous pieces of evidence upon which the theory of evolution is formulated.

I have news for you. The theories of evolution and the Big Bang have not folded just because you are in denial or quaking in fear due to weak faith.

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Well first of all, The Thread is not about Evolution, So try staying with the Thread, As RF wants people to.

If you want to talk about Evolution then start a Thread about Evolution.

ratiocinator said:

So, you keep on demanding lots of evidence from everybody else but won't produce any for your own ideas...

Matthew 7:5



It's not clear that a cause is needed but I've already said that nobody knows for sure, so why are you still going on about it?

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It's evidence that you have no clue or idea what Matthew 7:5 is about, why don't you try starting at the beginning of the chapter and find out what the subject and article is about first.
But what your doing is nothing more than going about cherry picking verses to fit your agenda.

What Christ Jesus is talking about, had you read from the start of the chapter 7 of Matthew, is not to judge others and be found doing the same

As I am not doing the same thing. You have what man will tell you without any certain proof of evidence.

Then I have God by which was there to see how everything came into existence.

Big different, from man to God.
Man I wasn't there and God was there.

Terrywoodenpic said:

It has been explaind to you that time started with the universe, there was no trillions and trillions of years ago.Time does not go back that far.
Scientists are not hiding anything from you, it is just that you do not have sufficient knowledge and understandig to grasp what they are saying.

If there are other universes, and there might well be. They are not separated from this one by Time and space, there are separated by dimension, an entirely different concept.

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Ok, so explain exactly how the Universe appeared out of no where.

ratiocinator said:

Where is you evidence for this assertion?



I bet you can't...

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God's word, that's how
But you can't take God's word for it.

But you'll take man's word, But man wasn't there to see it happening.

Now explain exactly how's that to work.

Faithofchristian said:

Ok, so explain exactly how the Universe appeared out of no where.

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There are two explanations.
the first is We do not yet know.
the second is God Did it.

But then we are left with the question
"exactly how did God appear out of nowhere"?

Science will eventually find an answer to how the universe came into being
But no one will ever know how God appeared.
One is a scientific question the other is religious/ supernatural
we have no proof that God even exists.

Terrywoodenpic said:

There are two explanations.
the first is We do not yet know.
the second is God Did it.

But then we are left with the question
"exactly how did God appear out of nowhere"?

Science will eventually find an answer to how the universe came into being
But no one will ever know how God appeared.
One is a scientific question the other is religious/ supernatural
we have no proof that God even exists.

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That's because, God has no beginning nor end. God always was.

What you mean is that you don't have any proof.
But as a Christian I have all the proof of evidence that I need.

That's right, we dontd know when exactly God brought the Universe into existence.

Only what is written that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
So it doesn't say when it taken place.
And seeing God has no beginning nor end. That means for trillions and trillions and trillions of years God existed. Before time ever existed or anything else. God was there

But what I do know, is that nothing happens without a cause behind it.

And the cause behind it,
for it to happen is God.

Faithofchristian said:

God's word, that's how

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So where is the slightest hint of any evidence for "god's word"? You keep on demanding evidence from other people, where is even the hint of any evidence for your god?

Faithofchristian said:

But you'll take man's word, But man wasn't there to see it happening.

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I'm relying on actual evidence for what we have good theories about and am concluding that we don't know for the rest.

So where is your evidence or the hint of any sort of logical argument?

Faithofchristian said:

Then how can anyone claim something if don't know the cause

Just because a person suspect something, doesn't mean it happened.
Like a person suspect a gas leak. It doesn't mean there is, they only suspect it.
Did they smell the gas leak, no they only suspected a gas leak. Without certain proof of evidence, What makes them to think it was gas leak.
As with the big bang theory, Without any certain proof of someone actually being there, how does anyone know for sure it happened that way.

Like a person who ( suspect) has an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.
So without any certain proof, so the big bang theory is nothing without any actual certain proof.

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Wrong. We know the universe is expanding. We know it was expanding in the past. We know it was once much hotter and denser. We know it was once hot and dense enough for nuclear reactions to occur everywhere. We know that when it cooled down, the cosmic background radiation was formed. We know from that how old the universe (well, the current expansion phase) is.

What we don't know is the 'cause' or even if there was a cause.

In your gas leak analogy, we have found the gas leak. We just don't know why the gas started leaking. Did something hot the gas line? Did it erode?

Well for something to happen like the big bang theory, there would be a cause for it to happen.
So what was behind the big bang theory for it to happen.

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Why do you think it needed to have a cause? That is your *assumption* that may or may not be true. You claim it *has* to be that way. But that claim is not proved.