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Book of Daniel fulfilled.

Brian Schuh

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Jesus said the sign of the son of man would appear in the sky around time of the abomination of desolation in the Temple. Daniel said 1290 days after the Jews ceased offering sacrifices for Ceasar, the abomination of desolation- an idol- would be in the Temple. It was fulfilled to the day and is undeniable.

If you have no regard for truth, GET OFF MY THREAD. Or I will start a DIR thread.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
And, therefore, you could be right and the consensus of scholarship could be wrong. :D

BTW:

I still haven't found the post where you shared with us why your views on Daniel should be deemed more credible than that of peer reviewed scholarship.
A view is to be judged credible or not based on the merit of the view, not by the credentials of the one who teaches the view. Jesus had no credentials, and the Pharisees were shocked when they learned Jesus knew how to read. Rabbi Hillel chopped wood for a living, and many were shocked that he was s great scholar. Einstein had no significant credentials when he published his famous paper on relativity, and few people paid attention. But it proved itself by the merit what it said, not by Einstein's credentials. It is sad when people become so intellectually lazy that they let experts think for them.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
How do you explain that Daniel seems to predict the future?

This guy wrote it.

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Brian Schuh

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That isn't far from the truth. Daniel wasn't a prophet instead he knew how to interpret dreams, read omens, he knew astrology, like divining. Prophets did not do those things.

But I lost my patience. I am starting a new thread, same topic, but a DIR thread for serious Bible students, Christian or Jew.
 
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Brian Schuh

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I guess at this point, we could play a game of what if the sign of the son of man was seen in sky in 66 C.E. and what if there was a limited resurrection at that time. What if Mathew 24 and Daniel 11-12 were fulfilled, what implications would this have for Judaism and Christianity?

For one thing we could tell Christians, that Jesus already came back.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
What's a limited resurrection? You come most of the way back from the dead?
:) no, that only a chosen few come back rather than everyone.

So the thousand year reign of Christ lasted till 1071 C.E. when Muslims kicked Christian butt and took control of Jerusalem. That seems to be where the truth of Revelation ends. For if the Crusades were Armageddon, all the dead did not come back to life, Jesus lost Armageddon, no New Jerusalem came down from heaven.

Daniel seems to be entirely true, but the Revelation doesn't ring true.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
Full preterism has it that Revelation was about persecution under Nero and the Jerusalem War with Rome leading to destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, meaning that Revelation was written to give hope to Christians around that time.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
Something about the 7 headed dragon makes you skeptical?
According to full preterism, the seven headed dragon is Rome, the seven heads were Caesars.

The reason it was written in symbols was fear of Rome, if the government knew St John was writing something in opposition to them in support of those persecuted, he could have been killed.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
By 1071 C.E. biblical Judaism was replaced by rabbinical Judaism, Jewish belief in Yeshua was replaced with Roman Catholicism, and Islam became an power to contend with.

In Daniel's vision of four beasts, four kingdoms consecutive to one another, Islam and Catholicism together were the fourth beast, which has ten horns, meaning that in the latter days, Christendom and Islam would divide into many denominations and devour the Earth. Christian missionaries have converted the whole world with China the last frontier. Where Christians have failed, Muslims have succeeded.

The Roman empire broke up and later the Ottoman empire broke up. The Exile of the Jews began to end when the Soviet Empire broke up.

Is it a coincidence that from the first Jews to go to the gas chamber till the last was 3 1/2 years, and then 1948 C.E. Israel was established starting a kingdom that never shall be destroyed?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Daniel 11:1-35 history of Alexander the Great up to Antiochus Epiphanies.

Daniel 11:36-38- Caesar is the wilful King, description of the Imperial Cult.

Daniel 11:40 Antony, King of North and Cleopatra, "king" of South unite to fight Caesar Augustus.

Daniel 11:41 Battle of Actium. Edom, Moab and Amnon were unmolested. End of Roman democracy and beginning of "true" empire.

Daniel 11:42, 43 Caesar Nero prepared to wage war with Israel, was abandoned by everyone and came to his end.

Daniel 12:1 "in the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour." Tacitus, the Histories 5.13. At beginning of Jerusalem War.

Daniel 12:2 "When the first workers touched the earth, blood spouted from it, groans and bellowings were heard, and many phantoms appeared." Cassius Dio, Roman History 63:16.
Also see Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars 6:19.

Daniel 12:7. 3 1/2 years from Feast of Tabernacles 66 C.E. to Passover 70 C.E.

Daniel 12:8-11 End of daily sacrifice for Ceasar till Roman idols worshipped in Temple-- 6 Av 66 C.E. till 70 C.E. 1290 days.

Destruction of Temple to first day of peace, a day after fall of Masada. 9 Av 70 C.E. to 16 Nisan 74 C.E. 1335 days.

This is so convincing, that I believe some of this was written after the fact and made to look like prophecy. Otherwise, I am forced to believe it is possible to predict the future.

About some strange things written in Roman history, of a man appearing in the sky with an army and a "resurrection" of phantoms, it only makes sense in light of Daniel and Mathew 24.

The book of Daniel is fulfilled.

This article agrees.

The 70th Week Of Daniel Made Simple
 

sooda

Veteran Member
By 1071 C.E. biblical Judaism was replaced by rabbinical Judaism, Jewish belief in Yeshua was replaced with Roman Catholicism, and Islam became an power to contend with.

In Daniel's vision of four beasts, four kingdoms consecutive to one another, Islam and Catholicism together were the fourth beast, which has ten horns, meaning that in the latter days, Christendom and Islam would divide into many denominations and devour the Earth. Christian missionaries have converted the whole world with China the last frontier. Where Christians have failed, Muslims have succeeded.

The Roman empire broke up and later the Ottoman empire broke up. The Exile of the Jews began to end when the Soviet Empire broke up.

Is it a coincidence that from the first Jews to go to the gas chamber till the last was 3 1/2 years, and then 1948 C.E. Israel was established starting a kingdom that never shall be destroyed?

Most scholars thing the four beasts are 4 Roman Emperors.

Year of 4 emperors


Year of the Four Emperors. The Year of the Four Emperors, 69 AD, was a year in the history of the Roman Empire in which four emperors ruled in succession: Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and Vespasian.

The suicide of the emperor Nero in 68 was followed by a brief period of civil war, the first Roman civil war since Mark Antony 's death in 30...
 

sooda

Veteran Member
There are a few apocryphal stories found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that belong to the Daniel legends. There are a few Daniel stories besides these as well.

I admit that not all of Daniel is fulfilled. But Daniel 11-12 is fulfilled as I stated above. Maybe this thread should have been called The Unfulfilled Parts of Daniel.

Dan El is probably MUCH older... dating to a poem from Northern Syria circa 1500 BC.

The name Daniel was interpreted as meaning “God is my judge;” a loose interpretation of the Syrian Daniel who was portrayed as a son of the god El—the same El that pops up in Genesis (as El and Elohim).
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I prefer "Susanna." Jesus and Daniel both had heart for women accused of adultery.

Is there something in Bel and the Dragon that is yet to be fulfilled?
Daniel 11:1-35 history of Alexander the Great up to Antiochus Epiphanies.

Daniel 11:36-38- Caesar is the wilful King, description of the Imperial Cult.

Daniel 11:40 Antony, King of North and Cleopatra, "king" of South unite to fight Caesar Augustus.

Daniel 11:41 Battle of Actium. Edom, Moab and Amnon were unmolested. End of Roman democracy and beginning of "true" empire.

Daniel 11:42, 43 Caesar Nero prepared to wage war with Israel, was abandoned by everyone and came to his end.

Daniel 12:1 "in the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour." Tacitus, the Histories 5.13. At beginning of Jerusalem War.

Daniel 12:2 "When the first workers touched the earth, blood spouted from it, groans and bellowings were heard, and many phantoms appeared." Cassius Dio, Roman History 63:16.
Also see Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars 6:19.

Daniel 12:7. 3 1/2 years from Feast of Tabernacles 66 C.E. to Passover 70 C.E.

Daniel 12:8-11 End of daily sacrifice for Ceasar till Roman idols worshipped in Temple-- 6 Av 66 C.E. till 70 C.E. 1290 days.

Destruction of Temple to first day of peace, a day after fall of Masada. 9 Av 70 C.E. to 16 Nisan 74 C.E. 1335 days.

This is so convincing, that I believe some of this was written after the fact and made to look like prophecy. Otherwise, I am forced to believe it is possible to predict the future.

About some strange things written in Roman history, of a man appearing in the sky with an army and a "resurrection" of phantoms, it only makes sense in light of Daniel and Mathew 24.

The book of Daniel is fulfilled.

Daniel isn't listed as a prophet in Judaism... Daniel's history of his time in Babylon is full of factual errors.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I prefer "Susanna." Jesus and Daniel both had heart for women accused of adultery.

Is there something in Bel and the Dragon that is yet to be fulfilled?

Ancient writings had no punctuation.

There was no Daniel .. He didn't exist and he was never in Babylon. The last part of Daniel was written by a group of Jews because of Antiochus IV and the Maccabean Revolt.

Mt 24:15 literally reads, “When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation which having been spoken of by the Prophet Daniel standing in the Holy Place the one reading let him understand then those in Judea let them flee to the mountains.”

Mt 24:15 should be written, “When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation (which having been spoken of by Daniel standing in the holy place the one reading let him understand) then those in Judea let them flee to the mountains.”

Here Mt 24:15 tells people to leave the city as soon as they see the abomination of desolation, not necessarily when it stands in the Temple.


There are a few apocryphal stories found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that belong to the Daniel legends. There are a few Daniel stories besides these as well.

I admit that not all of Daniel is fulfilled. But Daniel 11-12 is fulfilled as I stated above. Maybe this thread should have been called The Unfulfilled Parts of Daniel.
 
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