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Possibly. The authors of Luke and Matthew both copied large parts of Mark. And the author of Luke states that he is not an eyewitness himself.So they gathered data then?
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Possibly. The authors of Luke and Matthew both copied large parts of Mark. And the author of Luke states that he is not an eyewitness himself.So they gathered data then?
That would explain our problem with Luke dating Jesus to 6 A.D. He could have relied on oral accounts. One of the witnesses wanted to emphasize the idea that Jesus was born of humble circumstances so Luke was simply misled. I've given police reports where I remembered wrong... makes sense if you ask me.Possibly. The authors of Luke and Matthew both copied large parts of Mark. And the author of Luke states that he is not an eyewitness himself.
eyewitnesses are often wrong. Twice I have been in the back of a cop car, neither times was I arrested. The second time an officer gave me a ride home when I was the victim of a hit and run accident. I was walking to a local grocery store when at the last street a car after coming to a full stop decided to take a left turn into me as I crossed. They asked me the name and model and I have them a very accurate statement "It was white". For some reason they have caught him or her.That would explain our problem with Luke dating Jesus to 6 A.D. He could have relied on oral accounts. One of the witnesses wanted to emphasize the idea that Jesus was born of humble circumstances so Luke was simply misled. I've given police reports where I remembered wrong... makes sense if you ask me.
The Book of Genesis claimed to be a record of events that occurred many thousands of years before it was written.Horus myth is much older than the Genesis myth by more than 2000 years.. and they really are not the same story,
All About Horus: An Egyptian Copy of Christ? Response to Zeitgeist movie
In short, this was NO "virgin birth" as is clear also from repeated references to Osiris' "seed." A "miraculous birth" perhaps because it involves a dead and then revived husband, but not a virginal conception (sometimes wrongly called an "immaculate conception" -- that has to do in Catholic theology with Mary's conception without Original Sin, not Jesus' conception) nor a virgin birth as contained in the Bible (cf. Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38).
The Book of Genesis claimed to be a record of events that occurred many thousands of years before it was written.
If I were to write a book today about events that happened in WWII, you would claim that it could not be accurate because it wasn't written during the actual war by actual participants of the war?
Adam existed before the Egyptians. Our oldest written record of Adam did not exist until Moses wrote it in the Book of Genesis.
Also, I never claimed that the Horus myth would coincide exactly with the story of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Moses didn't write the Pentateuch . He'd been dead 800 years before Genesis and Exodus were written.
I said that the original story known by Adam had become twisted and distorted over time.
Augustus. New Atheists are never wrong... And that you would challenge any given narrative of theirs is proof that you're a helpless sap under the influence Christian propaganda.
No, but I would claim it was inaccurate if it disagreed with all of the observable evidence. For example if someone claimed that the Nazis fought in dogfights from supersonic zeppelins I would point out how ridiculous that claim is and how it was not supported by any evidence not was it possible.The Book of Genesis claimed to be a record of events that occurred many thousands of years before it was written.
If I were to write a book today about events that happened in WWII, you would claim that it could not be accurate because it wasn't written during the actual war by actual participants of the war?
Adam existed before the Egyptians. Our oldest written record of Adam did not exist until Moses wrote it in the Book of Genesis.
Also, I never claimed that the Horus myth would coincide exactly with the story of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I said that the original story known by Adam had become twisted and distorted over time.
Sorry, one cannot support one myth by relying upon another.The Book of Genesis claimed to be a record of events that occurred many thousands of years before it was written.
If I were to write a book today about events that happened in WWII, you would claim that it could not be accurate because it wasn't written during the actual war by actual participants of the war?
Adam existed before the Egyptians. Our oldest written record of Adam did not exist until Moses wrote it in the Book of Genesis.
Also, I never claimed that the Horus myth would coincide exactly with the story of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I said that the original story known by Adam had become twisted and distorted over time.
Why didn't you read my post?
Because no one makes money telling puffed up atheists with a delusional confidence in their own objectivity, knowledge and rationality what they want to hear..
Pot meet kettle..
Augustus. New Atheists are never wrong... And that you would challenge any given narrative of theirs is proof that you're a helpless sap under the influence Christian propaganda.
The Book of Genesis claimed to be a record of events that occurred many thousands of years before it was written.
If I were to write a book today about events that happened in WWII, you would claim that it could not be accurate because it wasn't written during the actual war by actual participants of the war?
Adam existed before the Egyptians. Our oldest written record of Adam did not exist until Moses wrote it in the Book of Genesis.
Also, I never claimed that the Horus myth would coincide exactly with the story of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I said that the original story known by Adam had become twisted and distorted over time.
By the way Bob, I would like to tell you I am schizophrenic. So with delusions, hallucinations and thought broadcasting and a lot of other stuff, I'd say I've been forced quite well to handle a little cognitive dissonance!
....Your question about why people do not live up
to ideals. Why indeed. Nobody does, it is actually
impossible, ...
Yes and I am scientific and objective in that regard I promise. When I see the data telling me something, I listen.It's not a virtue, you know. Much better to dump those ideas that demonstratively do not fit within actual reality.
Gravity-- even without any understanding of the Theory Of Gravity, will assert it's effects upon a falling body, be it a True Believer or a Hardened Skeptic, with equal indifference.
Reality won't bend to fit your desired WorldView.
Science has proven itself, time and again, to ferret out Actual Reality-- often directly against the Desired Worldview of the researchers best hopes and dreams!
Do you know that the discoverers of the Expanding Universe truly did not want to discover that information? They, each and everyone, believed in a Steady State Universe. That was their Bias.
But. The scientific method forces people who use it, to set aside their biases, and to examine the facts, the evidence, the collected data-- and see which direction it leads.
Even if they were rather that it didn't.
That is why the Scientific Method Works.
Please explain, why do you think it is impossible?
I think it is possible with God. But if the teaching would not be from God but from humans, why would take invent it, if it is impossible to live by it?
I do not need to be a mind reader to know when I am speaking with an ideologue. Your posts so encapsulate the internet atheist stereotype that I sometimes wonder if I should invoke Poe's law.What I want to hear? How would YOU know? Are you now, a Mind Reader?
No you wouldn't. Because the day your heart stops beating you will be forced to give an account for every single unrepentant sin you have committed since the age of reason. And those men who though their terrible acts have sacrilegiously dragged the priesthood though the reputational mud are in a terrifying position before God. Because without serious lifelong repentance those men (as per Catholic teaching) are facing the very real possibility of eternal damnation. Matthew 7:22-23In fact, Oh Most Sarcastic Of All: I would love for there to be a Magical Super-Being, who watches out for the collective fate of Humanity-- never mind all the salacious pedophilia that is so rampant among God's Self-Proclaimed Spokes Weenies...
Rocks in glass houses.Your hateful projection likely stems from deep within your own self-doubts that all the bs you've been brainwashed with, is in fact, just more bs.
I admit that I can be prone to verbosity when I'm not being careful about it, nevertheless what I posted wasn't particularly complicated. Augustus is the user to whom the previously quoted was addressed. And unlike you he seems to not have had much trouble in understanding what was posted.LMAO! I have no idea what any of that bs means. Word Salad, I guess-- want some vinaigrette with that to go?
I don't know what an "Augustus" is. I have no clue what a "New Atheists" is, either. Perhaps, since you have Magical Telepathic Insight Into Everyone On the Earth, you could fill us in?
Augustus is the user to whom the previously quoted was addressed. And unlike you he seems to not have had much trouble in understanding what was posted.
Oh... I see. With that context what he said now makes a modicum of sense.Fortunately, he has me on ignore so can't see that. It's great when this happens as you can correct their mistakes without having to engage with the witless inanity of any replies