Killing IS justified

oldbadger · Mar 3, 2019

Audie said:
Face palm yourself. I dont know how
you even come up with your versions of
what I say, starting with your first line-
I in no way said or implied that good advice
is phony.

And you go on from there, total
communication failure. Maybe you
read one word in four, then change
the order? Who knows.

If I shared Mom's secret scone recipe,
it would be safe with you, you'd end
up making a sort of shepherds pie
(with bloaters).

Oh no...... I think that you want all the attention and sympathy, a Me Me Me attitude, and when folks try to advise others to things which you might not have done, you interpret the advice in to a kind of criticism of yourself, calling out, 'He's blaming me!'

Imagine a person who got their face smashed in a car crash because they did not wear a seat belt, who feels anger every time they hear.good advice about seat belts, taking it as criticism. I think that's a bit like you.

Your Blame Victims appeals seem to be all about wanting the attention on you.

Sad

oldbadger · Mar 3, 2019

Mister Emu said:
Killing force is justified against humans when it prevents acts that can be reasonably understood to potentially lead to the unjust death or suffering of innocents and when the force is directed at the perpetrator(s) of such acts, or those following such a person's orders to act in defense of such acts or persons.

Could you enlarge upon that, please? If a spouse is innocently enduring suffering caused intentionally by their spouse, can they kill the spouse?

Can police just shoot/kill without any warnings?

Killing force is justified against animals when it provides food or useful goods and is done in such a way as to limit the suffering of the animal during death.

Can we kill geese out of season, so long as we eat them?
How about elephants for useful goods etc....... or would you like to add to your definition?

Audie · Mar 3, 2019

oldbadger said:
Oh no...... I think that you want all the attention and sympathy, a Me Me Me attitude, and when folks try to advise others to things which you might not have done, you interpret the advice in to a kind of criticism of yourself, calling out, 'He's blaming me!'

Imagine a person who got their face smashed in a car crash because they did not wear a seat belt, who feels anger every time they hear.good advice about seat belts, taking it as criticism. I think that's a bit like you.

Your Blame Victims appeals seem to be all about wanting the attention on you.

Sad

Remarkably close, it is about
me, though you are withal and
as usual, at least a few points
off compass.

It is not me going mememe,
but you saying you you you.
And your post above is one more
example, using remote-viewing
Psychiatry this time.

The first "advice" and ever since was
not applicable to the specific situation,
certainly not needed now, and always
delivered in a "see, if you'd only" way
that seems so easy to take as blaming
me.

We are probably used to the same thing
from different ends- you to having people
tell you that you are blaming them, and,
me getting the blame.

Oh and sympathy? If that were it,
I would do better seeking it
from a gravel barge.

Mister Emu · Mar 3, 2019

oldbadger said:
If a spouse is innocently enduring suffering caused intentionally by their spouse, can they kill the spouse?

If a spouse is in the midst of being killed, beaten, tortured, raped, the like or being imminently threatened with such, they have every right to kill to defend themselves.

oldbadger said:
Can police just shoot/kill without any warnings?

As far as justification, there is no obligation to let someone in the midst of a murder know you are there. You have no obligation to gamble that they'll stop of their own accord as opposed to stopping them.

If someone breaks into my home with a weapon, they'll be given no opportunities. Their warning was the their own knowledge they were putting people in danger.

As for restrictions on police, I'm fine with restricting their actions as a legal matter, as agents of the state.

oldbadger said:
How about elephants for useful goods etc...

I was talking about general principle. Of course there might be exceptions. If elephants weren't on the verge of extinction, no.

Audie · Mar 3, 2019

Mister Emu said:
If a spouse is in the midst of being killed, beaten, tortured, raped, the like or being imminently threatened with such, they have every right to kill to defend themselves.

As far as justification, there is no obligation to let someone in the midst of a murder know you are there. You have no obligation to gamble that they'll stop of their own accord as opposed to stopping them.

If someone breaks into my home with a weapon, they'll be given no opportunities. Their warning was the their own knowledge they were putting people in danger.

As for restrictions on police, I'm fine with restricting their actions as a legal matter, as agents of the state.

I was talking about general principle. Of course there might be exceptions. If elephants weren't on the verge of extinction, no.

In the class I took, they taught that one draws a
weapon only if you are going to shoot to kill, right
now. No threat, no warning, no hesitstion, no
shoot to just disable.

The resson should be obvious.

And likewise the consequences of acting
inappropriately.

If it would suit olbad to folow his own
idiotic and self defeating ideology, that
is his deal, but trying to influence others
to be like him is totally irresponsible.

Killing IS justified

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!

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