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Killing IS justified

Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Audie said:
Re your handle, nickname, appellation or cognomen,
"Shad".

I come up with a alliteration, just for you.

"Sixty six or seventy seven sprightly sliver sided stream shad
smolt swim swiftly seaward."
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Now say that after a few hard drinks.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Shad said:
Now say that after a few hard drinks.
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The drinking and saying, I will leave to you.
I dont drink! :D

Try this on a Filipino friend, whether drinking or
not:

Professor Piper forfeited five fluffy puppies.
 
savagewind

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't understand that killing a murderer is wrong, according to some people. I realize that most of the time, it can't be known that someone will kill anyone but what about Hitler and his kind? It would be to STOP them from killing more.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
savagewind said:
I don't understand that killing a murderer is wrong, according to some people. I realize that most of the time, it can't be known that someone will kill anyone but what about Hitler and his kind? It would be to STOP them from killing more.
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I am against capital punishment, but, if the only way
to stop murder is to kill the perp, then, it has to be done.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
@Audie , how long ago was it that you were attacked while alone in a remote lakeside property while your boyfriend traveled away to get some shopping? By all means do edit/correct my memory about that.

I guess that this was the incident that caused your PTSD?
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Audie said:
Ah now we are making up ways to blame the victim.
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Now..... let us look at the junk that you write.
Let's just see some more.........
Audie said:
You specialize in blaming victims. .........
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Yeah.............. right........... now let's see the dreadful results which can happen after a terrifying incident...

Audie said:
........................................, I
do have a boyfriend for when I am out, besides
which as the PTSD fades a bit, I am still hypervigilant.
I dont think it sensible to be more so..................
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The above a short piece of a post, showing that long after your experience of a terrifying incident in a lakeside property you still are disabled by the dreadful mental disorder of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I know a bit about this condition as well.

When I trained commercial detectives to protect property and confront thieves I had to prepare them to carry out their duties in LEGAL and PHYSICAL SAFETY. Having been attacked more times than I can now remember I was very aware of the LEGAL and PHYSICAL risks of any mistakes.

And so I became a specialist in safety and security, both inside and outside businesses, stores and other properties. I still do try to make suggestions to folks in the hope that even a single sentence might help to protect them from the dreadful experience of an attack and any condition like PTSD.

And then folks like you call such advice 'blaming the victim'. Such accusations are pitiful....... you should know better than to criticise folks who try to deter such experiences because you know what the results of an easily accessible property can be.

.... for shame?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Killing is a necessity to prevent harm doers from heinous crimes. Theres no pleasure in it, but it has to be done! I dont think that is controversial at all.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
oldbadger said:
Now..... let us look at the junk that you write.
Let's just see some more.........


Yeah.............. right........... now let's see the dreadful results which can happen after a terrifying incident...


The above a short piece of a post, showing that long after your experience of a terrifying incident in a lakeside property you still are disabled by the dreadful mental disorder of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I know a bit about this condition as well.

When I trained commercial detectives to protect property and confront thieves I had to prepare them to carry out their duties in LEGAL and PHYSICAL SAFETY. Having been attacked more times than I can now remember I was very aware of the LEGAL and PHYSICAL risks of any mistakes.

And so I became a specialist in safety and security, both inside and outside businesses, stores and other properties. I still do try to make suggestions to folks in the hope that even a single sentence might help to protect them from the dreadful experience of an attack and any condition like PTSD.

And then folks like you call such advice 'blaming the victim'. Such accusations are pitiful....... you should know better than to criticise folks who try to deter such experiences because you know what the results of an easily accessible property can be.

.... for shame?
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I dont call advice "blaming the victim",
and if shame is due, that phoniness can
be added to your general air of blame.

Clearly a most different pov.
I may well be hypersensitive to signs
of victim-blaming. It does not mean
it is not there, it may mean I am real
good at seeing it.

"Blame the victim" is still the most common
response to sexual assault.

Your "secure the property" would be terrif, if
there had been a fence and locked gate, no access
by water, incursion sensors, and finally a panic
room. I dont blame you for advice, this is just
you trying trying to flip it back on me, when
I did complain about you blaming me- right from
the first, with no idea of circumstances.

I could have stood out there with a shot gun
and driven the guy away. Dived in the lake and
swum away.

Of course, one would seem a bit weird, behaving
so with a friendly neighbour. Or so he presented
as being.


It was not even my property!! I am to secure
someone elses land? Be even more hypervigilant
than I am now, and refuse to go anywhere not
utterly secure?

Dont answer to those. Enough from you is enough.
And we have enough other experts in other things,
who cannot possibly ever be mistaken either.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
osgart said:
Killing is a necessity to prevent harm doers from heinous crimes. Theres no pleasure in it, but it has to be done! I dont think that is controversial at all.
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For anyone not a psycho it would be a
worst experience ever, and the terrible
effects would be permanent, better only
than not acting.

So they taught in the class I took.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Audie said:
I dont call advice "blaming the victim",
and if shame is due, that phoniness can
be added to your general air of blame.
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You call good advice phoney?
Maybe you you just try to shout down advice that could help to protect others.....
Not good.

Clearly a most different pov.
I may well be hypersensitive to signs
of victim-blaming. It does not mean
it is not there, it may mean I am real
good at seeing it

"Blame the victim" is still the most common
response to sexual assault.
.
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I think that you could be careless about others benefiting from suggestions, possibly?

Your "secure the property" would be terrif, if
there had been a fence and locked gate, no access
by water, incursion sensors, and finally a panic
room. I dont blame you for advice, this is just
you trying trying to flip it back on me, when
I did complain about you blaming me- right from
the first, with no idea of circumstances.
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No............ your silly accusations that I blame victims rather than make suggestions is simply contentious and objectionable, frankly.

I could have stood out there with a shot gun
and driven the guy away. Dived in the lake and
swum away.
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That episode cannot be changed.......... but at least you could help others benefit by SUPPORTING sensible suggestions for the future.

Of course, one would seem a bit weird, behaving
so with a friendly neighbour. Or so he presented
as being.
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You could be trying to move forward by advising others but you just seem to shout down advice to others. Do you care about others?

It was not even my property!! I am to secure
someone elses land? Be even more hypervigilant
than I am now, and refuse to go anywhere not
utterly secure?
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I have not been discussing a past incident but focusing upon the future, and you have been trying to hinder that. Not good.

Dont answer to those. Enough from you is enough.
And we have enough other experts in other things,
who cannot possibly ever be mistaken either.
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There are no experts, but I was a qualified adults teacher delivering training to commercial detectives. If you don't want to take notice, fine, but if you shout insults at me I won't be so patient any more.

:facepalm:
 
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Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
oldbadger said:
You call good advice phoney?
Maybe you you just try to shout down advice that could help to protect others.....
Not good.


I think that you could be careless about others benefiting from suggestions, possibly?


No............ your silly accusations that I blame victims rather than make suggestions is simply contentious and objectionable, frankly.


That episode cannot be changed.......... but at least you could help others benefit by SUPPORTING sensible suggestions for the future.


You could be trying to move forward by advising others but you just seem to shout down advice to others. Do you care about others?


I have not been discussing a past incident but focusing upon the future, and you have been trying to hinder that. Not good.


There are no experts, but I was a qualified adults teacher delivering training to commercial detectives. If you don't want to take notice, fine, but if you shout insults at me I won't be so patient any more.

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Face palm yourself. I dont know how
you even come up with your versions of
what I say, starting with your first line-
I in no way said or implied that good advice
is phony.

And you go on from there, total
communication failure. Maybe you
read one word in four, then change
the order? Who knows.

If I shared Mom's secret scone recipe,
it would be safe with you, you'd end
up making a sort of shepherds pie
(with bloaters).:D
 
Mister Emu

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Killing force is justified against humans when it prevents acts that can be reasonably understood to potentially lead to the unjust death or suffering of innocents and when the force is directed at the perpetrator(s) of such acts, or those following such a person's orders to act in defense of such acts or persons.

Killing force is justified against animals when it provides food or useful goods and is done in such a way as to limit the suffering of the animal during death.
 
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