Can Christian Preaching Get Any Worse than This?

Shantanu · Mar 1, 2019

Mestemia said:
Interesting.
So your religion required you to ignore reality?
Because same sex marriage is a real thing.

I am just so fortunate that I was brought up the right way and despite being molested by a man at the age of 11 I chose a woman to be wedded to because I lived a brilliant married life of 34 years in which I could learn so much about myself and about the other sex. I believe God had fixed this marriage for me.

McBell · Mar 1, 2019

Shantanu said:
I am just so fortunate that I was brought up the right way and despite being molested by a man at the age of 11 I chose a woman to be wedded to because I lived a brilliant married life of 34 years in which I could learn so much about myself and about the other sex. I believe God had fixed this marriage for me.

Interesting.
So your religion required you to ignore reality?
Because same sex marriage is a real thing.

Perhaps with your next reply you can actually address what you are replying to?

Shantanu · Mar 1, 2019

Mestemia said:
Interesting.
So your religion required you to ignore reality?
Because same sex marriage is a real thing.

Perhaps with your next reply you can actually address what you are replying to?

I said God, I believed, had fixed a heterosexual marriage for me as my reality that I would have to live by. If He has fixed homosexual marriage for others than that would be a matter for Him. Certainly I resisted being molested as something that was utterly wrong use of my anal aperture.

Earthling · Mar 1, 2019

Mestemia said:
You do not want your use of fallacies pointed out.
In fact, you claim that pointing out fallacies is somehow admitting no counter argument when the fact is a fallacy is not an argument to begin with.

Actually I said I don't like it when a fallacy is used as an argument.

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Mestemia said:
Interesting.
So your religion required you to ignore reality?
Because same sex marriage is a real thing.

I’m married to a beautiful Baha’i lady for 41 years thanks to my religion. I’m very glad that Baha’u’llah decreed marriage to be only permissible between a man and a woman.

God only approves of marriage between a man and a woman and He is All Knowing and knows what is best for us as He created us.

Skwim · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
I’m married to a beautiful Baha’i lady for 41 years thanks to my religion. I’m very glad that Baha’u’llah decreed marriage to be only permissible between a man and a woman.

Why? Why would it make you unhappy if Baha’u’llah decreed marriage to be permissible between those of the same sex?

My guess is homophobia.

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loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Skwim said:
Why? Why would it make you unhappy if Baha’u’llah decreed marriage to be permissible between those of the same sex?

My guess is homophobia.

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Two topics here. One is marriage which I believe personally should only ever be between a man and a woman. Baha’u’llah just happens to have this view also so I’m happy that I’m in tune with the Divine Will.

The next topic you mention does not apply to me because I consider all people as one human family without exception. I do not make any distinction between whom I consider my fellow human being. It was gay Baha’is who first taught me my religion so I am very grateful to them. They are part of my family as far as I’m concerned.

But as Baha’i I follow the teachings of Baha’u’llah on all matters and His Law on marriage is only between a man and a woman.

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

Skwim said:
Why? Why would it make you unhappy if Baha’u’llah decreed marriage to be permissible between those of the same sex?

My guess is homophobia.

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Islamic culture at that time was indeed homophobic. I think your guess is spot on. But since he is infallible, there is no way it will ever change. Too bad, really.

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
Two topics here. One is marriage which I believe personally should only ever be between a man and a woman. Baha’u’llah just happens to have this view also so I’m happy that I’m in tune with the Divine Will.

Which Divine Will would that be? Not the one I know.

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Which Divine Will would that be? Not the one I know.

The One God.

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
The One God.

Which God is that? Atheists and polytheists are out of the loop? We're off to hell?

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Which God is that? Atheists and polytheists are out of the loop? We're off to hell?

I thought you believed in God. Perhaps you call Him by a different name maybe Brahman or Shiva? But I still believe we are speaking about the same Reality only t just with different names.

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Which God is that? Atheists and polytheists are out of the loop? We're off to hell?

Do you have a definition or description of God?

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
I thought you believed in God. Perhaps you call Him by a different name maybe Brahman or Shiva? But I still believe we are speaking about the same Reality only t just with different names.

I believe in God and gods. Henotheism, philosophically. Quite different than one true God. So I'm out of the loop as well.

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
Do you have a definition or description of God?

Yes. All theists do. I have stated it before, and of course the Baha'i I was talking to (can't remember who) said, "That's the same as the Baha'i believe." Then somebody else came along and gave a very different description of God, and the Baha'i said, "That's what the Baha'i believe." And then somebody else came along, gave a third version, again very different, and then the Baha'i said, "That's what the Baha'i believe."

So, since I already know you're going to say that, what would be the point in reiterating it? Do you sense why I might be suspicious?

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Islamic culture at that time was indeed homophobic. I think your guess is spot on. But since he is infallible, there is no way it will ever change. Too bad, really.

We are as Islamic as Christianity is Jewish. Same roots but independent of it. Nothing but acceptance, unconditional acceptance of all humanity is what we believe in without prejudice.

Where do you get your moral code from? Your feelings, people, governments? How do you know it is right? We follow the moral codes given to us by the Heavenly Messengers not what our own finite error prone minds or faulty passions may dictate.

Right and wrong, good and bad, immoral and immoral we believe only God has true knowledge about these things and what is best for us as He created and designed us.

But people have been given free will to turn against God and His teachings and follow their own path.

Vinayaka · Mar 1, 2019

loverofhumanity said:
We are as Islamic as Christianity is Jewish. Same roots but independent of it. Nothing but acceptance, unconditional acceptance of all humanity is what we believe in without prejudice.

Oh give me a break! Homosexuals and atheists are not accepted. Even other religions are told they're wrong. Baha'is have a ton of prejudice. The prophet had slaves, blacks were considered inferior. Without prejudice, my foot!

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Yes. All theists do. I have stated it before, and of course the Baha'i I was talking to (can't remember who) said, "That's the same as the Baha'i believe." Then somebody else came along and gave a very different description of God, and the Baha'i said, "That's what the Baha'i believe." And then somebody else came along, gave a third version, again very different, and then the Baha'i said, "That's what the Baha'i believe."

So, since I already know you're going to say that, what would be the point in reiterating it? Do you sense why I might be suspicious?

Our beliefs are very universal embracing much,much more than just the Bahá’í Writings. That is not very well appreciated yet.

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Oh give me a break! Homosexuals and atheists are not accepted. Even other religions are told they're wrong. Baha'is have a ton of prejudice. The prophet had slaves, blacks were considered inferior. Without prejudice, my foot!

We’re far from perfect as individuals but our Faith accepts all religions gone before it their Founders and Holy Books and teaches to love all humanity as our own family.

loverofhumanity · Mar 1, 2019

Vinayaka said:
Oh give me a break! Homosexuals and atheists are not accepted. Even other religions are told they're wrong. Baha'is have a ton of prejudice. The prophet had slaves, blacks were considered inferior. Without prejudice, my foot!

By ‘without orejudice’ I don’t mean none of us are ever prejudiced but that the the Faith seeks to remove prejudices of all kind and that applies especially to us as we must eventually show society that we can live in peace prejudice free and so far we have lived in peace despite being so diverse but there’s a long way to go.

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