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Killing IS justified

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
You can't rightly say it's always about a person's own self. There might be children present in the home.

omg

You’ve got to be kidding me?

You have absolutely no grasp of anything I said.

If you would like additional enlightenment, I will be happy to try.
Just ask.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Here's the problem with this ridiculous stance you keep trying to take - of course I am more important TO MYSELF than the other person is to me. Of course! Just as my wife is more important than that other person is to me. If the other person were just as important to me as my wife, then I would make sure to get gifts for that other person on their birthday, tell them I loved them each day, etc. Do you do those things for everyone you have ever met on Earth? Of course you don't. You prize specific people above others just like every other human on the face of this Earth. If that other person were just as important to me as myself, then I would pay their mortgage, make sure they had 3 meals per day, get them to work on time, etc. Do you do this for every other person you have ever met? NO, YOU DON'T. Duh. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh.

Give me a break. You have no leg to stand on with this nonsense. From an objective perspective, perhaps no one is more important than any other. Fine. Who cares?? From a subjective perspective we ALL treat those closest to us with the greatest reverence... as well we should. Are you seriously going to argue against the idea that this is permissible? That I should be going around hugging and tucking in death row inmates just like I do my child at night? Get serious.

Everything you mention in your lengthy diatribe speaks only of worldly things. That explains why you cannot grasp anything I say. I’m done. Enjoy YOUR life and YOUR stuff.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
omg

You’ve got to be kidding me?

You have absolutely no grasp of anything I said.

If you would like additional enlightenment, I will be happy to try.
Just ask.
I have no grasp of anything. Surely, you are making that up! I think that I understand why an intruder need not be killed. OK? But, I also understand why some people would not take that chance that the intruder might kill them and run off with his wife or child. I have children. When they were young, there was much news about child abductions. If someone might have taken my child to do what he or she pleased with him or her if the only way to prevent that was to kill the person first, I think I would, if I could. But, I understand that it is not possible to see the future to decide rightly in the present. Are you sorry you have insulted me?
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
I have no grasp of anything. Surely, you are making that up! I think that I understand why an intruder need not be killed. OK? But, I also understand why some people would not take that chance that the intruder might kill them and run off with his wife or child. I have children. When they were young, there was much news about child abductions. If someone might have taken my child to do what he or she pleased with him or her if the only way to prevent that was to kill the person first, I think I would, if I could. But, I understand that it is not possible to see the future to decide rightly in the present. Are you sorry you have insulted me?

It’s so very sad how you modify my statement to make yourself look good, and me look bad.

By the way, you’re still ranting about children and wife, but missing the entire point of my comment. I can say that. And saying it, in NO WAY implies that I think you have no grasp of anything.

I replied to your thread, by the way.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It’s so very sad how you modify my statement to make yourself look good, and me look bad.

By the way, you’re still ranting about children and wife, but missing the entire point of my comment. I can say that. And saying it, in NO WAY implies that I think you have no grasp of anything.

I replied to your thread, by the way.
Are you having a bad day?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Everything you mention in your lengthy diatribe speaks only of worldly things. That explains why you cannot grasp anything I say. I’m done. Enjoy YOUR life and YOUR stuff.
You seem to be assuming (by the use of the word stuff) that a person will break into a home only to steal. What about kill? People are not stuff. Right?
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
You can't rightly say it's always about a person's own self. There might be children present in the home.

Let’s see if I can attempt to penetrate the darkness here.

It IS ALWAYS about a person’s self. ALWAYS.

“There might be children present in the home”. Well, there might be a TV or a car as well. It’s still an extension of YOURSELF.
You would not have the same strong desire to kill someone entering a stranger’s home.

The self extends to anyone and anything the self attaches itself to. It can be YOUR family, YOUR church, YOUR state, YOUR country. That is how you get gullible people to fight senseless wars and kill people. They are fighting for something attached to themselves. That’s why the excuse soldiers give is “I want to fight for MY country”.

Mark 8:18
Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear?
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
You seem to be assuming (by the use of the word stuff) that a person will break into a home only to steal. What about kill? People are not stuff. Right?

omg

Killing is stealing your life, for crying out loud.

Matthew 8:18
Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Everything you mention in your lengthy diatribe speaks only of worldly things. That explains why you cannot grasp anything I say. I’m done. Enjoy YOUR life and YOUR stuff.
I notice you didn't reply to my post of "proof." I'll make this easy for you. Post #69 in this thread: click here

My guess is that you were relieved to see I had replied to a different, more recent post, so that you could therefore feel justified in ignoring post #69 (this is again a link directly to it, for your convenience), and instead reply to something more recent. So it didn't seem quite so much like you had purposefully dodged me, personally. The attempt at finality with your goofy little "Enjoy YOUR life and YOUR stuff" comment above pretty much says it all.

Again, that's post #69. Go check it out. I'm eager to hear your reply/rebuttal.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Let's say I accidentally left the door unlocked before going to bed, or they broke a window on a door, reached in and unlocked it themselves, or they played the long game and entered the house stealthily during the day when the doors weren't locked and are hiding out somewhere in the house. What does this matter, by the way?
It interests me because it suggests that you ....
You don't follow a simple security procedure at any time.
Your doors don't have laminated glass panels.
You leave keys in locks
You offer easy daytime instrusion where the intruders don't just burgle the place but wait for you ... are you some special risk or something? If so, go on a home security course. Get your local crime prevention officer to visit and give advice.

Wow! :D

Always avoid conflict......
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
It interests me because it suggests that you ....
You don't follow a simple security procedure at any time.
Your doors don't have laminated glass panels.
You leave keys in locks
You offer easy daytime instrusion where the intruders don't just burgle the place but wait for you ... are you some special risk or something? If so, go on a home security course. Get your local crime prevention officer to visit and give advice.

Wow! :D

Always avoid conflict......
Ahh, I see... so victim blaming. Always a hit, am I right? Just like the tried and true "You women shouldn't be wearing those skimpy outfits because it makes men want to do things to you." Right? They were asking for unwanted attention right?

So, because I don't live in a titanium house with motion-sensing, automated tranquilizer turrets, surrounded by a 50 foot wide moat I am ASKING to be intruded upon, right? Right?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Always avoid conflict......
And this... your very last statement, only solidifies the point I made in post #69, so thank you for stating it. The person who purposefully puts themselves in the path of conflict (i.e. the intruder with less than noble intentions) has stated with their actions that they believe that conflict is acceptable. So, in my dealing with this person, I will act in kind. Conflict has been PROVEN to be acceptable in the subjective experience of life between this intruder and myself by the very actions they have taken. If they go running to anyone crying about how terrible it was that I didn't want them in my house, what does this make them? (this question is for you too @Gerry) An important life to be revered and preserved, even at the cost of my own life?

This is turning out to quite possibly be one of the dumbest threads I have ever taken part in on this site.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Ahh, I see... so victim blaming. Always a hit, am I right? Just like the tried and true "You women shouldn't be wearing those skimpy outfits because it makes men want to do things to you." Right? They were asking for unwanted attention right?

So, because I don't live in a titanium house with motion-sensing, automated tranquilizer turrets, surrounded by a 50 foot wide moat I am ASKING to be intruded upon, right? Right?

He does that. I was pretty annoyed when he was
blaming me for my experience with intruder.

It is a low and contemptible behaviour, and
he is not forgiven for it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Ok, I’m just going to toss this out there.

You can take it any way you like.

The God I know, from reading the Bible, cannot possibly harm anyone, cannot possibly punish anyone, cannot possibly send anyone to hell. The literal words in the Bible can sometimes appear very bad, but that is an appearance. The literal words are only a container for the spiritual concepts present within. It becomes easier and easier to see the spiritual meaning. It has for me anyway. The key to it all, was discovering what God is.

IOW, you just make up meanings for what you read,
until it fits your ideas. It is ok; it is what all of you
bible-people do.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Let's say I accidentally left the door unlocked before going to bed, or they broke a window on a door, reached in and unlocked it themselves, or they played the long game and entered the house stealthily during the day when the doors weren't locked and are hiding out somewhere in the house. What does this matter, by the way?

It matters a lot because it is key to blaming the victim.
 
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