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Can Christian Preaching Get Any Worse than This?

Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
The sad thing about it to me is that he speaks the truth about the moral deoravity to which society has sunk.
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What metrics do you use to compare today with some
other time(what other time) or place? (what other place)

There is a saying, that the "Arc of history is long, but it
bends toward justice".

I believe, if you look at practices of the past, you will see
it applies to morality as well.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Mestemia said:
I can't help but wonder why you would rather spend your time whining about the accurate usage of the terms instead of learning how to avoid them being accurate.
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It's a simple case of not allowing terminology to make the argument for me. I never use terms like that because it becomes too easy to impress others while not really presenting an argument.For the same reason I don't use religious terminology to explain the Bible. It is what it is.

If non sequitur is primarily philosophical, a formal fallacy or deductive fallacy how does one who is unfamiliar with the Biblical narrative invoke it in a theological discussion? Not very well, more than likely, so the only intent is to impress the audience. Besides, at least one side of the argument being presented is a going to be a deductive fallacy, the purpose of an argument or debate is to demonstrate which side is a deductive fallacy, and therefore the term non sequitur is pointless unless you think you can win the argument by simply impressing people by invoking it in the first place.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Father Heathen said:
So in other words, if anyone says anything that you either disagree with or don't understand, they must not only be an atheist but a militant atheist.

That's adorable.
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You see, you miss the point and make an assumption based upon your use of terminology.

If anyone says anything that I disagree with we base our discussion on that. If I don't understand I ask questions and make it clear to whomever I'm talking with that I don't understand. Either case doesn't dictate to me whether or not it is an atheist, militant atheist, theist or militant theist. It doesn't matter.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Father Heathen said:
A real argument against what? You haven't even presented anything remotely coherent.
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As far as you are concerned, given your responses, the issue I presented is that the militant atheist and the militant theist are in the same boat. Robertson could be replaced with Dawkins and the position of the militant theists, were they still present in these sorts of discussions, which they are generally not, would be the same. Two sides of the coins. Yes. Robertson is an idiot, but the next thread could be some poster boy for the militant atheist being equally idiotic.

It's a sociopolitical (class) struggle. Ideological possession.
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
Landon Caeli said:
I'm sure bowel movements will become uncontrollable with excessive intercourse in such a way. In the long run, that is. Which is quite unfortunate for some.

...But we don't hear much about that. We do hear a lot about the other benefits of homosexuality, such as the psychological liberties and freedoms however. Which seems improperly balanced as far as informing people.
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The problem is you think and blame GLBTs for excessive weird intercourse.

You are way way off base. I am a recovering sex addict and a hundred percent heterosexual and if you don't believe ask one of the 100 men I've had sex with over the past 7 years.Weird excessive sick sex, that lot belongs to the heterosexual folks.

Don't blame GLBTS!!!!!!!!! Weather your gay or lesbian has nothing to do with it. Yes there are a few Gays and lesbians in Sex Addicts Anonymous but 98 percent of us are heterosexual.

Guess what most Bondage Domination Sadism mass o kist folks are heterosexual if your talking weird look at me my own addiction to being taken care of by big dominant men.I have chosen to be in sexually abusive situations over the years because of my addictions.

Ok if your a BDSM person and feeling offended I am aware there are normal healthy BDSM practicing people that are normal and healthy. But there many people into it like me who are mentally ill into it who should not be and for us its sick.

But don't go blaming GLBTs for perverting the world,making us over sexual because they are not the ones doing it, if you only knew how many sex addicts who cant even have sex with their partners anymore because their dependency on porn and strip clubs is so bad they don't even know how to have sex with their partners anymore its sad and disturbing.
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
Here's a kicker for you Evangelical Pat Robertson fans, many of the sex addicts in my meetings are conservative Evangelical people who watch Pat Robertson. They are the ones having weird excessive sex as well! How bout dem apples?
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
How so? Please be specific.
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This is my view of such things in the Words of Baha’u’llah...

Say: He is not to be numbered with the people of Bahá who followeth his mundane desires, or fixeth his heart on things of the earth. He is My true follower who, if he come to a valley of pure gold, will pass straight through it aloof as a cloud, and will neither turn back, nor pause. Such a man is, assuredly, of Me. From his garment the Concourse on high can inhale the fragrance of sanctity….

And if he met the fairest and most comely of women, he would not feel his heart seduced by the least shadow of desire for her beauty. Such an one, indeed, is the creation of spotless chastity. Thus instructeth you the Pen of the Ancient of Days, as bidden by your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Bountiful.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Audie said:
What metrics do you use to compare today with some
other time(what other time) or place? (what other place)

There is a saying, that the "Arc of history is long, but it
bends toward justice".

I believe, if you look at practices of the past, you will see
it applies to morality as well.
Click to expand...

I think ages ebb and flow from crisis to victory from dark age to golden age with the standard always being set and the bar raised as we evolve by the Educators such as Buddha, Krishna, Jesus and so on. Each age brings with it a rise of knowledge and moral behaviour and also a decline reflecting the temporary nature of everything in this world including religion.

As time passes each religion ceases to exert an abiding influence on morals and godliness and after each decline a new Educsstor appears and a new spirit and age is born.

Today as I understand it we are experiencing the death of the old order and the pangs of the birth of a new world civilization.

So, like the fall of Rome, morals and behaviour have become decadent but simultaneously a new Educator has arisen to restore morals, spirituality, virtues and the dignity of man once again and rescue us from our basement.

These two diametrically opposed forces (depravity vs virtues) will take centre stage in the coming decades with the voices for virtues, peace, morality and the nobility of man becoming louder and stronger until the pendulum swings back towards decency, dignity and nobility and humanity turns away from depravity and wickedness.
 
JChnsc19

JChnsc19

Member
How in the holy **** are homosexuals gonna destroy foster children??? Someone needs a psychiatrist who enjoys a challenge
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
This is my view of such things in the Words of Baha’u’llah...

Say: He is not to be numbered with the people of Bahá who followeth his mundane desires, or fixeth his heart on things of the earth. He is My true follower who, if he come to a valley of pure gold, will pass straight through it aloof as a cloud, and will neither turn back, nor pause. Such a man is, assuredly, of Me. From his garment the Concourse on high can inhale the fragrance of sanctity….

And if he met the fairest and most comely of women, he would not feel his heart seduced by the least shadow of desire for her beauty. Such an one, indeed, is the creation of spotless chastity. Thus instructeth you the Pen of the Ancient of Days, as bidden by your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Bountiful.
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I do not put too much stock in the words of Babalouie. Besides, I don't see anything about homosexuality there. If anything he appears to want men not to be seduced by women, you know what that means:eek:
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Earthling said:
It's a simple case of not allowing terminology to make the argument for me. I never use terms like that because it becomes too easy to impress others while not really presenting an argument.For the same reason I don't use religious terminology to explain the Bible. It is what it is.

If non sequitur is primarily philosophical, a formal fallacy or deductive fallacy how does one who is unfamiliar with the Biblical narrative invoke it in a theological discussion? Not very well, more than likely, so the only intent is to impress the audience. Besides, at least one side of the argument being presented is a going to be a deductive fallacy, the purpose of an argument or debate is to demonstrate which side is a deductive fallacy, and therefore the term non sequitur is pointless unless you think you can win the argument by simply impressing people by invoking it in the first place.
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This makes it sound like, giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you know your "arguments" are all logical fallacies and instead of just admitting it or changing it, you would rather merely dismiss them.
I understand (because I have seen it right here on RF) that many a theist agree to dismiss the fact their arguments are all logical fallacies in order to argue.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Mestemia said:
This makes it sound like, giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you know your "arguments" are all logical fallacies and instead of just admitting it or changing it, you would rather merely dismiss them.
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How so?

Mestemia said:
I understand (because I have seen it right here on RF) that many a theist agree to dismiss the fact their arguments are all logical fallacies in order to argue.
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Not this one.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
I think ages ebb and flow from crisis to victory from dark age to golden age with the standard always being set and the bar raised as we evolve by the Educators such as Buddha, Krishna, Jesus and so on. Each age brings with it a rise of knowledge and moral behaviour and also a decline reflecting the temporary nature of everything in this world including religion.

As time passes each religion ceases to exert an abiding influence on morals and godliness and after each decline a new Educsstor appears and a new spirit and age is born.

Today as I understand it we are experiencing the death of the old order and the pangs of the birth of a new world civilization.

So, like the fall of Rome, morals and behaviour have become decadent but simultaneously a new Educator has arisen to restore morals, spirituality, virtues and the dignity of man once again and rescue us from our basement.

These two diametrically opposed forces (depravity vs virtues) will take centre stage in the coming decades with the voices for virtues, peace, morality and the nobility of man becoming louder and stronger until the pendulum swings back towards decency, dignity and nobility and humanity turns away from depravity and wickedness.
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There is truth is various of what you say,

However, you are putting all of this into your chosen ideological
framework, but, I guess you know that?

Things like the twin opposing forces of good and evil,
which is a purely religious concept, with no demonstrable
basis in reality.

You have a lot subjectivity in there, (is homosexuality
"depraved"?)

Also, you are presenting as if all the world doth rise and fell
in a synchronized rhythm. It does not. Never has.

Regardless of all that, I asked for metrics and, you
are unable to supply any to show that your opinions
have a factual basis
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
I do not put too much stock in the words of Babalouie. Besides, I don't see anything about homosexuality there. If anything he appears to want men not to be seduced by women, you know what that means:eek:
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The overall teaching of Baha’u’llah here is to live a virtuous and chaste life outside marriage which can only only be between a man and a woman.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
JChnsc19 said:
How in the holy **** are homosexuals gonna destroy foster children??? Someone needs a psychiatrist who enjoys a challenge
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Spooky ... the very presence of them in the same room gives off this vibration, and it slowly seeps , slowly seeps, into the minds of all that are standing there, one look, one simple glance at a member of the same sex, and they're changed forever, never to be straight again. We're doomed.
 
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