Does the existence of ancient extraterrestrials affect the religious narrative?

oldbadger · Feb 25, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
This will just confim what Baha'u'llah has given from God. Just a matter of time........................That every planet has creatures,.............................

Regards Tony

I told 'em before! *sobs*
I keep telling 'em........ but do they listen? *sniffs*
No!

So I'll tell 'em again!!:-
There's Martians out there............

viole · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
This question(s) is primarily for people of the major world religions:

Assuming in 2019 ancient beings have come to our planet to show their existence and upon their arrival and subsequent meeting, everything we know from a religious/spiritual perspective is different. Suppose that the ancient holy text and apparitions were actual alien influence upon humankind in the alien’s attempt to help mankind develop a moral code let me ask the following:

1) Does this affect your faith in your religion?

2) Do you continue believing in your faith?

Remember consider these beings more ancient and coming from a planet more ancient than earth and more advanced.

I would ask them what brought them to send so many conflicting messages, theologies and tenets depending on where people lived. And why.

It is not very useful to have mega super duper alien technologies if they are not even able to send one single clear cut message to the whole world.

Ciao

- viole

TransmutingSoul · Feb 25, 2019

viole said:
It is not very useful to have mega super duper alien technologies if they are not even able to send one single clear cut message to the whole world.

That is understandable because of free will.

It is possible to do this, but then I see free will is rendered pointless.

I see the Message of Baha'u'llah clear cut in the Oneness of God, what is your choice?

Regards Tony

Baroodi · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
This question(s) is primarily for people of the major world religions:

Assuming in 2019 ancient beings have come to our planet to show their existence and upon their arrival and subsequent meeting, everything we know from a religious/spiritual perspective is different. Suppose that the ancient holy text and apparitions were actual alien influence upon humankind in the alien’s attempt to help mankind develop a moral code let me ask the following:

1) Does this affect your faith in your religion?

2) Do you continue believing in your faith?

Remember consider these beings more ancient and coming from a planet more ancient than earth and more advanced.

more ancient and more advanced?

MJFlores · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
1) Does this affect your faith in your religion?

2) Do you continue believing in your faith?

My Answers:
1] No
2] Yes

Biblical foundation:

Romans 8:35-39 New International Version (NIV)
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Kangaroo Feathers · Feb 25, 2019

It's an interesting hypothetical and thought experiment, but I don't think anyone can give a definite answer unless it becomes a practical reality.

Rival · Feb 25, 2019

Baroodi said:
more ancient and more advanced?

Been around longer than us and have more advanced technology.

dianaiad · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
This question(s) is primarily for people of the major world religions:

Assuming in 2019 ancient beings have come to our planet to show their existence and upon their arrival and subsequent meeting, everything we know from a religious/spiritual perspective is different. Suppose that the ancient holy text and apparitions were actual alien influence upon humankind in the alien’s attempt to help mankind develop a moral code let me ask the following:

1) Does this affect your faith in your religion?

2) Do you continue believing in your faith?

Remember consider these beings more ancient and coming from a planet more ancient than earth and more advanced.

1. nope. Their arrival wouldn't mess up my beliefs.

2. Yes...and I'd hand 'em all copies of the Book of Mormon, and make appointments for the missionaries.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

ajay0 said:
You might find it interesting to know that certain alien contactees have claimed that aliens have stated to them that their alien religion is very similar to Buddhism.

Proof?

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

DavidMcCann said:
Passage of time doesn't make people "more advanced", and nor does technological progress imply moral progress: compare the Roman Empire with the Nazi and Soviet states!

Well all things being considered, if we humans have the capability of learning from our mistakes not to mention to acquire the knowledge of the atom and to put it into progressive or destructive uses at such a limited time as we are a young species, I would assume an alien species similar to us in evolutionary thought could have acquired much more knowledge of the known universe.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
This will just confim what Baha'u'llah has given from God. Just a matter of time.

The building of the unity of the Human race will show the requirement to be in unity with all creatures, no matter their origin.

That God Messengers are Universal. That every planet has creatures, that there are more creatures like us with the ability to know and love God and that all the worlds of God have their Messengers, is a timely Message suited to this age of universal discoveries.

Regards Tony

Hmmmm....

InvestigateTruth · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
This question(s) is primarily for people of the major world religions:

Assuming in 2019 ancient beings have come to our planet to show their existence and upon their arrival and subsequent meeting, everything we know from a religious/spiritual perspective is different. Suppose that the ancient holy text and apparitions were actual alien influence upon humankind in the alien’s attempt to help mankind develop a moral code let me ask the following:

1) Does this affect your faith in your religion?

2) Do you continue believing in your faith?

Remember consider these beings more ancient and coming from a planet more ancient than earth and more advanced.

No, it won't effect my Faith. Instead I would doubt the truth of those ancient beings. I would be certain, it is a majic show.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

viole said:
I would ask them what brought them to send so many conflicting messages, theologies and tenets depending on where people lived. And why.

It is not very useful to have mega super duper alien technologies if they are not even able to send one single clear cut message to the whole world.

Ciao

- viole

Perhaps we are too ignorant to understand.....

Interestingly enough our laws in the United States are loosely based off the Mosaic laws so I would think at least in constructing a moral code to structure our civilization we are given laws through the individual experiences of others via apparitions to help us understand. Taoism for example , gives us a chain of command, an idea that there is an authority. The complexity and conflictions come from other things concerning doctrinal matters irrespective of the general moral code we humans live by.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
No, it won't effect my Faith. Instead I would doubt the truth of those ancient beings. I would be certain, it is a majic show.

Interesting.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

Baroodi said:
more ancient and more advanced?

Yes. The human species is approximately 200,000 years old. The earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. On TRAPPIST-1 alone there are several earth sized planets that are older than earth (approximately 5.4 billion years old). It is possible there are a handful of planets with complex life that exist where these developed civilizations could be millions of years older than us that understand the universe far better than us. If that is true and they have a far better understanding of the universe than us mathematically, it would not be far fetched to believe they are technologically more advanced than us. So theories like "Star Gates" tachyon travel may have been harnessed already by them not to mention the possibility of telepathy.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

MJFlores said:
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My Answers:
1] No
2] Yes

Biblical foundation:

Romans 8:35-39 New International Version (NIV)
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ok

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

dianaiad said:
1. nope. Their arrival wouldn't mess up my beliefs.

2. Yes...and I'd hand 'em all copies of the Book of Mormon, and make appointments for the missionaries.

So you're willing to live a life of delusion if they can prove to you that the events in the bible such as the burning bush, the flood, even the ascension of Jesus were all orchestrated by alien technology for a purpose?

TransmutingSoul · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
Hmmmm....

That is a good response.

Hmmmmmm

Regards Tony

dianaiad · Feb 25, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
So you're willing to live a life of delusion if they can prove to you that the events in the bible such as the burning bush, the flood, even the ascension of Jesus were all orchestrated by alien technology for a purpose?

No.

I said that the appearance of aliens wouldn't mess with my beliefs. (shrug) They wouldn't.

.......and remember, from where I sit you are the delusional one, so it might be a good idea to not throw words like that around. Simply because I believe differently than you about God doesn't mean that I am delusional...or that you are.

That your question didn't get the answer you liked from me isn't my problem.

Epic Beard Man · Feb 25, 2019

dianaiad said:
No.

I said that the appearance of aliens wouldn't mess with my beliefs. (shrug) They wouldn't..

Ok...

dianaiad said:
......and remember, from where I sit you are the delusional one, so it might be a good idea to not throw words like that around.

The thread itself is hypothetical, therefore I'm imparting no real judgment on you or your beliefs. So when I say "So you're willing to live a life of delusion?" I'm referencing the hypothetical scenario if such things did actually happen and if aliens can prove to you that their technology was actually the cause of Biblical events and it was provable you would still be "deluded" to think these aliens were still wrong?

Does the existence of ancient extraterrestrials affect the religious narrative?

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