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The Spirit of Elijah

Fool

ALL in all
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If elijah was taken in a whirlwind and returned as John the Baptist, why wouldn't the spirit of jesus not return in like manner?


ruach means mind, spirit, wind, and breath.
 

Fool

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so i wasn't attempting to state the statements was true, because of the if condition. but if we follow the logic, shouldn't it be the same for everyone?


if something is true for one thing, shouldn't it be the same for another; especially if the condition is true? would the truth be personal and not objective if it's an outward action?
 
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URAVIP2ME

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If elijah was taken in a whirlwind and returned as John the Baptist, why wouldn't the spirit of jesus not return in like manner?
ruach means mind, spirit, wind, and breath.

I find a whirlwind is more like a storm that lifts up in earth's atmospheric heavens.
So, Elijah was lifted up from one place and set down in another location on Earth.
That is why Elijah was still alive writing years after the whirlwind ride in earth's mid-heavens. - 2 Chronicles 21:12-15
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don't think he returned as John the Baptist.
I agree, there was No literal Elijah as John the Baptist.
ALL who died before Jesus died are still asleep in their graves - John 3:13
This even includes King David who did Not ascend as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I find a whirlwind is more like a storm that lifts up in earth's atmospheric heavens.
So, Elijah was lifted up from one place and set down in another location on Earth.
That is why Elijah was still alive writing years after the whirlwind ride in earth's mid-heavens. - 2 Chronicles 21:12-15


yes, storms tend to be more violent forms of low pressure systems


but there are the milder forms of low pressure systems that simply form clouds




Genesis 2:6
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I agree, there was No literal Elijah as John the Baptist.
ALL who died before Jesus died are still asleep in their graves - John 3:13
This even includes King David who did Not ascend as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34.

all personalities, humans die.

Ps 82:6-Ps 82:7 KJV I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

and

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 

Remté

Active Member
so i wasn't attempting to state the statements was true, because of the if condition. but if we follow the logic, shouldn't it be the same for everyone?


if something is true for one thing, shouldn't it be the same for another; especially if the condition is true? would the truth be personal and not objective if it's an outward action?
I'm not sure what you're saying but I think the story is a fabrication.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I'm not sure what you're saying but I think the story is a fabrication.


ignoring whether the story is true/untrue, shouldn't the logic follow the same no matter the variables of person. in other words


if "something" = true

then do this

else "something" = false

otherwise do this.


example

if person was normally good = true

then goes to heaven

else person normally good = false

then goes to hell.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
all personalities, humans die.
Ps 82:6-Ps 82:7 KJV I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
and
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Yes, up to now all die.
The return on Earth of the Genesis ' tree of life' means No more death on Earth - Revelation 22:2.
Death was Not God's original purpose for humans Adam and Eve.
If Adam had Not broken God's Law then Adam would still be alive on Earth today.
We are nearing the ' judgement ' time on Earth among the living as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
At this ' judgement ' those judged favorably as righteous ones (verse 37) can remain alive on Earth.
They can be here on Earth to see the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth.
Please notice what happens to ' enemy death ' according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
This means the time is coming when there will be No more death on Earth - Revelation 21:4-5.
The healthy will Not die but remain healthy as per Isaiah 35th chapter.
No one will say, "I am sick..." as per Isaiah 33:24.
Those figurative humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 can go through alive the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14, so perhaps surviving through that great tribulation means that is as good enough as if they had died.
- Habakkuk 3:16-19
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
As you probably know, that is what Bahais believe.

Palingenesis is interpreted in the new testament as regeneration. It's used twice in the new testament.

Jesus is quoted as saying it at Matthew 19:28. Paul refers to it in Titus 3:5.

Most Christian's don't know it means the same as metempsychosis.

It's the older term for reincarnation.
 
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