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Biblical Slavery - How Could A Loving God Condone It?

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
There is far less crime per capita in the Gulf States than there is in the US.



What Islamists do to each other in Pakistan,Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Niger, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, Somalia, Kenya, Algeria, Burkina Faso, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the rest of the Muslim world screams so hard that Islam defames itself.

Why on earth would you think anyone desires to have their life look anything like the desperate lives of Islamists today in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia?

Your opinions are insignificant; you're fighting a lost battle ...
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@Maximilian ,

Regarding those who are raped, murdered, mutilated, or oppressed by people who claim to be Muslims: Pity does not come close to describing the depth of my feelings.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That was already refuted. Overly vague and multiple interpretations. Read the article I linked.

Tell me, is Nostradamus a true prophet of God? If not why not. Then apply the same standards to Daniel.

Nostradamus was a future teller .. Daniel was NOT. Daniel wrote after the event prophecy.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What Islamists do to each other in Pakistan,Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Niger, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, Somalia, Kenya, Algeria, Burkina Faso, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the rest of the Muslim world screams so hard that Islam defames itself.

Why on earth would you think anyone desires to have their life look anything like the desperate lives of Islamists today in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia?

Your opinions are insignificant; you're fighting a lost battle ...

Have you ever been to any of those countries?

You aren't using the word Islamist properly.
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
No, as you see you made a bogus demand.
A rudely and improperly asked question does not merit a reply.

Ask properly and I will answer it. And I did not wither. I made your error clear.

I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong . . .
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Daniel's prophecy was about Israel.

The Servant songs are four songs in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible, which include Isaiah 42:1-4; Isaiah 49:1-6; Isaiah 50:4-7; and Isaiah 52:13-53:12. They were first identified by Bernhard Duhm in his 1892 commentary on Isaiah.

The songs are four poems written about a certain "servant of YHWH." God calls the servant to lead the nations, but the servant is horribly abused among them. In the end, he is rewarded. Some scholars regard Isaiah 61:1-3 as a fifth servant song

"Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use

Try again.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
"Wikipedia is not a reliable source." -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use

Try again.
What makes you think that? Ten years ago this might have been a valid claim, but Wikipedia is quite reliable these days in non-gossip related articles. It is much more difficult to put false evidence in it than it used to be.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
They say they are, very vehemently so, but you want me to take your word that they're not. How am I supposed to do that?
It seems like your belief that Islam = ISIS fits your narrative, and that is why you choose to believe it. I'm not intending to persuade you one way or the other.

I do find it ironic that you believe ISIS (murders, rapists and terroriststs) when they say they are Muslims.

So many moderates and peaceful people who identify as Muslims strongly argue that ISIS does not equal Islam.

Why do u trust the claims made by ISIS and ignore the claims made by moderates?
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
It seems like your belief that Islam = ISIS fits your narrative, and that is why you choose to believe it. I'm not intending to persuade you one way or the other.

I do find it ironic that you believe ISIS (murders, rapists and terroriststs) when they say they are Muslims.

So many moderates and peaceful people who identify as Muslims strongly argue that ISIS does not equal Islam.

Why do u trust the claims made by ISIS and ignore the claims made by moderates?

Because they can't both be right and ISIS are definitely much more devoted to Quranic teachings than other Islamic sects.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Probably with fallacious Cherry Picking?

Probably....But I can't help but reflect on King Leopold's letter

"Convert always the Blacks by using the whip. Keep their women in nine months of submission to work freely for us. Force them to pay you in sign of recognition-goats, chicken or eggs-every time you visit their villages. And make sure that n*****s never become rich. Sing every day that it’s impossible for the rich to enter heaven. Make them pay tax each week at Sunday mass."

Letter From King Leopold II to Colonial Missionaries Heading to Africa
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Nostradamus was a future teller .. Daniel was NOT. Daniel wrote after the event prophecy.

So when was the book of Daniel written?
You would say sometime in the First Century AD, no?
Had to have been because Daniel wrote of Rome, the
nation that invaded Israel, destroyed the temple and
'cut off' the Messiah.
Yet the book of Daniel purposed to be from the time of
the Babylonian exile. After this exile, and the rebuilding
of the temple, there were no more books added to the
Jewish bible.
The book of Maccabees, from the Greek era, is not a
part of that bible, nor ours. It is called "Apocrypha", not
of the bible. Yet Daniel isn't Apocrypha.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Probably....But I can't help but reflect on King Leopold's letter

"Convert always the Blacks by using the whip. Keep their women in nine months of submission to work freely for us. Force them to pay you in sign of recognition-goats, chicken or eggs-every time you visit their villages. And make sure that n*****s never become rich. Sing every day that it’s impossible for the rich to enter heaven. Make them pay tax each week at Sunday mass."

Letter From King Leopold II to Colonial Missionaries Heading to Africa

So what has this to do with the bible?
There is no end of people who employ the bible to their own ends.
That's how Jesus was crucified, for example.
Judging the bible by those who breach its principles is intellectual
dishonesty.
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Probably....But I can't help but reflect on King Leopold's letter

"Convert always the Blacks by using the whip. Keep their women in nine months of submission to work freely for us. Force them to pay you in sign of recognition-goats, chicken or eggs-every time you visit their villages. And make sure that n*****s never become rich. Sing every day that it’s impossible for the rich to enter heaven. Make them pay tax each week at Sunday mass."

Letter From King Leopold II to Colonial Missionaries Heading to Africa

Well, when you consider that Leopold was a devout Catholic, not Christian, his evils make much more sense.
 
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