Messiah in Islam

sooda · Feb 24, 2019

jfietsam said:
I've looked into every religion that I could possibly find including Hinduism, Buddhism(only a little), Judaism, Islam, Christianity and Jehovah's Witness. What it comes down to is that no religion makes perfect sense to me, and people go on trying to convince others of their beliefs, so they can feel better about their own beliefs. They put others down to make themselves look better, and I'm done trying to convince anyone to listen to me. I've given everyone a fair shot to explain to me in a way that makes sense, and no one can. No one gives me the time of day to explain my views without getting combative, so I just want my ban. Then I can stay off this site for good. You guys don't even care about truth. What's the point of people gathering together from different religions online if they aren't going to come together to create a practical solution? There is no point, it's just a bunch of back and forth bs.

Well, you sure are combative.. You might enjoy Bible study if you also studied history and archaeology

jfietsam · Feb 24, 2019

sooda said:
Well, you sure are combative.. You might enjoy Bible study if you also studied history and archaeology

You might enjoy sniffing that soda too much the way you talk nonsense.

sooda · Feb 24, 2019

jfietsam said:
You are the crackpot...

Nope.. I'm pretty conservative .. I just enjoy ancient history and archaeology. You can always tell a crackpot in the first five minutes.. They'll bring up Gog and Magog, or the Book of Daniel or the Book of Isaiah. None of which they understand.

Remté · Feb 24, 2019

jfietsam said:
Because I read a Quran, and it turned me into a bigger douche bag than I already am. At least right now I'm an honest douche bag, but when I read a Quran, I couldn't stop scheming and telling lies. You play dumb when you're challenged. You act like you don't know the contents of your book.

The whole validity of Islam is based off the hatred of other religions and condemning everyone to the everlasting fire. that will be their place for eternity. We just had a Muslim president, and the book very clearly riddles that you guys want nothing more than to take over America, so the man can force our women to marry them. Then of course no new prisoners were taken to Guantanamo Bay during his presidency. Iran is getting hold of our weapons. I don't even believe the wars in the Middle East are legit. I think it's all just staged, because everyone's going to work against America when the time comes... The religion is filled with lying hypocrites, because that is exactly what God will turn anyone into who reads the book.

Now go ahead and pretend you don't understand what I'm talking about, but your religion is totally based off the hatred of others, and God will turn anyone evil who buys into the Quran. With that being said, I will say that the Quran does make some valid points about each religion, but just because it proves everyone else wrong, it does not make Islam correct. I hope I get banned for this post. This forum is total bs anyways, and it wouldn't let me delete my account.

So your problem is you can't understand the Quran.

InvestigateTruth · Feb 26, 2019

Remté said:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 for one is from the Enjeel.

Ok, so, you agree, the prophecies about Muhammad are in form of allusions.

You seem to have said that they do.

I am not sure how you concluded that.

You seem to find the Bible and the Quran contradicting each other here. How do you explain away the differences in the story of Adam and eve?
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No, I say, it appears to most people Bible and Quran contradict each other. Mind you, even there are verses in the Quran in different chapter which appear to some people to be contradictory.
I don't think there is any contradictions if those verses and stories are understood correctly.
There is no contradiction in story of Adam and Eve in Quran vs Bible if understood correctly.

Limo · Nov 14, 2019

InvestigateTruth said:
First, according to Wikipedia: In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and World to come.[1][2][5] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח‎, translit. melekh mashiach) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic.[6]

When we examine the story of Jesus in the Christian sources, they all agree that Jesus was not a king, and did not have kingdom, neither he ruled as a ruler among Jews. However Mainstream Christians do not disagree that Messiah is supposed to have a kingdom. Their reply is that, when Jesus returns, then He will have the kingdom as it was promised.

In Islam, Jesus is the Messiah who was promised to the Jews. However, there is no mention in Quran, or any Hadith that Jesus had any kingdom, or He ever ruled among Jews. We notice that, when it comes to David or Solomon, Islamic traditions describes their kingdom.

What is the position of a Muslim with regards to the Kingship of Jesus? Was the Messiah supposed to be a king or not? If yes, why there is no mention about the kingdom of Jesus in Islam? If not, how do you explain the fact that both Jewish and Christian Scriptures agree that the Messiah is a King?
If you say that Messiah means Prophet, why no other Prophet in Quran is called Messiah? What is specific about Jesus, which in addition to a Prophet, He is also called Messiah?

You're dealing with Quran, old testy, and new testimony as equal in creditability and accuracy. This is not right.
Bible have many changes addition, deletion, and twisting.
Not only moslems say because it's in Quran but also modern scholrs proofed by research.

If it's there in Bible today that Almasseh is a king or a supposed king or will be a king, it doesn't mean that this is true and revelation from Allah.

The different in Almasseh is that he's himself is a miracle. He's normal bornvery normal like me and you born from a mother without father. He's like Adam who is begotten from neither father nor mother, he's like Eve who is begotten from father without father.
Allah gave humans the last example of human born from mother without a father.

Almasseh has many miracles which were not listed in Bible but in Quran and Hadeeth.

Almasseh is neither crucifixed nor died , he was raised to sky alive with complete body and his own sole.
He'll come back but not as a king but a supporter to Moslems. He'll tell the truth to all humans that he's human not God/son of god but human.

That's all and enough for a great man called Almasseh human and Prophet.

The myth of Almasseh as a king may be added in the salvation periods where Jews were captive by babelions. At that time they were tortuned, killed, abused
At that time rabbis gave them hope for good future and salvations, then kingdom of Almasseh brrought to manuscripts.

sooda · Nov 14, 2019

Limo said:
You're dealing with Quran, old testy, and new testimony as equal in creditability and accuracy. This is not right.
Bible have many changes addition, deletion, and twisting.
Not only moslems say because it's in Quran but also modern scholrs proofed by research.

If it's there in Bible today that Almasseh is a king or a supposed king or will be a king, it doesn't mean that this is true and revelation from Allah.

The different in Almasseh is that he's himself is a miracle. He's normal bornvery normal like me and you born from a mother without father. He's like Adam who is begotten from neither father nor mother, he's like Eve who is begotten from father without father.
Allah gave humans the last example of human born from mother without a father.

Almasseh has many miracles which were not listed in Bible but in Quran and Hadeeth.

Almasseh is neither crucifixed nor died , he was raised to sky alive with complete body and his own sole.
He'll come back but not as a king but a supporter to Moslems. He'll tell the truth to all humans that he's human not God/son of god but human.

That's all and enough for a great man called Almasseh human and Prophet.

The myth of Almasseh as a king may be added in the salvation periods where Jews were captive by babelions. At that time they were tortuned, killed, abused
At that time rabbis gave them hope for good future and salvations, then kingdom of Almasseh brrought to manuscripts.

Where did you get the idea that the Jews were tortured by the Babylonians?

Limo · Nov 14, 2019

sooda said:
Where did you get the idea that the Jews were tortured by the Babylonians?

They've been captive in Iraq. Babylonians were dealing with them as prisoners.
For sure it wasn't voluntary happy stay.
How much suffering there ?
I don't remember exactly the details.

I was wrong I mixed
As per new world encyclopedia"While the Jews in Babylon did not suffer greatly in the physical sense, the siege and later sack of Jerusalem in 586 B.C.E., including the destruction of its sacred Temple, left many of the exiles deeply repentant and determined to keep their faith pure."

sooda · Nov 14, 2019

Limo said:
They've been captive in Iraq. Babylonians were dealing with them as prisoners.
For sure it wasn't voluntary happy stay.
How much suffering there ?
I don't remember exactly the details

Only the good figs were taken to Babylon.. They weren't mistreated.

Treatment of the Jews in Babylon - The Babylonian ...
https://www.bible-history.com/map_babylonian...
The Jewish people survived in Babylon because the Babylonian policy allowed the Jews to settle in towns and villages along the Chebar River, which was an irrigation channel. The Jews were allowed to live together in communities, they were allowed to farm and perform other sorts of labor to earn income. Many Jews eventually became wealthy.

Limo · Nov 14, 2019

sooda said:
Only the good figs were taken to Babylon.. They weren't mistreated.

Treatment of the Jews in Babylon - The Babylonian ...
https://www.bible-history.com/map_babylonian...
The Jewish people survived in Babylon because the Babylonian policy allowed the Jews to settle in towns and villages along the Chebar River, which was an irrigation channel. The Jews were allowed to live together in communities, they were allowed to farm and perform other sorts of labor to earn income. Many Jews eventually became wealthy.

You're right. I mistaken

sooda · Nov 14, 2019

Limo said:
You're right. I mistaken

The BABYLONIAN civilization must have been extraordinary. They had writing and irrigation and even sailboats.

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