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John 14:9, and why 'gnosticism ' is varied in meaning

sooda

Veteran Member
Jesus is the real Israel. The prophecies of Isaiah are veiled for those who have not been given understanding by God Himself. Because only God can show it.

This is why in chapter 6 when Isaiah saw the LORD in the temple and God gives Isaiah his commission as a prophet; God tells him "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."

In Isaiah 29:10-14, the prophet Isaiah even goes further and says that the vision will not be understood by those who are "wise or prudent". That is those who believe themselves wise or prudent. For these things are not intellectually discerned but only the Spirit of God can reveal them to you.

Unto the wise this vision (of Isaiah) will be like a letter that is sealed and they do no have the authority to open the seal. Because the Letter is not even sent to them. And to the rest the letter will be as in a language they do not know how to read ... because they do no understand the things of God.

The wise of this world are excluded from the wisdom of God because they don't seek it by trusting in God; but instead by their own intelligence. The wisdom of God will be revealed to babes. (Isaiah 28:9-13) Because it's not by might nor by power but through the Spirit of God that anyone can understand. But for the worldly "wise" of this age God says that with a stammering lip and another tongue He will speak to them but for all that they will not hear (or believe I can add).

I don't think so.. I think Isaiah and Daniel have been misunderstood and misused.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I don't think so.. I think Isaiah and Daniel have been misunderstood and misused.
I hear you, but I'm just saying you're not taking into account what the book of Isaiah says about itself in chapter 6, 28 and 29. Basically it's veiled and hidden and only understood by babes not by the "wise and prudent" of this world.

Peace :)
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I hear you, but I'm just saying you're not taking into account what the book of Isaiah says about itself in chapter 6, 28 and 29. Basically it's veiled and hidden and only understood by babes not by the "wise and prudent" of this world.

Peace :)
There can't be any misunderstanding that israeI is the suffering servant. Look at the charlatans from koresh to Scofield to hal Lindsey who have misused it.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
There can't be any misunderstanding that israeI is the suffering servant. Look at the charlatans from koresh to Scofield to hal Lindsey who have misused it.
You mean Isaiah 53? It can't be the nation of Israel.

In Isaiah 53:5 the Prophet says that "but he was wounded for our transgressions ..."

I bolded "our" because it's important to note that the prophet is speaking of himself and Israel. So the suffering servant was wounded for Israel's transgressions. Therefore it makes no sense to say that Israel was wounded for Israel's transgressions ... Sorry.

Isaiah 53 is definitely about the Messiah Jesus.
 
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