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Messiah in Islam

Remté

Active Member
@Remté and @Pastek
I see There is a fundamental problem with believing Bible is corrupted, and you seem to not willing to look at it.
You are saying Muhammad is propheside in the Bible. Therefore the Bible should guide Christians and Jews to Accepting Muhammad. But if the Bible is corrupted, how can they be guided to accept Muhammad?
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 for one is from the Enjeel.
Why should God expect Christians and jews to believe in Muhammad, when their Book does not mention Muhammad?
You seem to have said that they do.
Suppose some Scribes corrupted the Bible, according to your belief, and changed the verses about Muhammad. What is the fault of all other jews and christians who were not involved in corrupting their Book? Your story is like christians, saying because Adam sinned, all humanity is inhereting sin from Adam. Do you see how your story does not match with God, the Just, All knowing, the All powerful?
You seem to find the Bible and the Quran contradicting each other here. How do you explain away the differences in the story of Adam and eve?
The problem with your reasoning is, you claim Islam is complete and is able to guide all humanity to the right path,
The Qur'an.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Ok. If when you have two versions and one is saying Aaron built an idol and another said he didn't yet you believe it's exactly the same story then you have a problem.

This is useful;

"For it is in this way that We try men through one another - to the end that they might ask, "Has God, then, bestowed His favour upon those others in preference to us?" Does not God know best as to who is grateful [to Him]? - 6:53

Regards Tony
 

jfietsam

Member
I just find it a little strange how Muhammad was punished at the end of his life by spirits haunting him, and no one ever thinks, "What if it's God punishing him?" I also find it strange how no one who reads the Quran wants to acknowledge that God's Holy Spirit is present in the Quran. Because that would mean that God may have misled the Muslims into believing their way is supported and true, and if God misled the Muslims, then He may have just misled the Christians as well. But how could the Lord ever do such a thing?

Well Peter and Paul were the main characters in the Book of Acts which stretches through the timeline of all the letters written up until Revelation which was written by John. Peter and Paul may have just been cursed. Peter for denying he ever knew Jesus when put under pressure. Jesus said to fear God not man, because God will determine where you spend eternity. Paul was persecuting and killing Christians. Highly unlikely that's the case yet a possibility worth taking a second look at for entertainment's sake.

Muslims also pretend they have no clue where these prophecies came from if not direct revelations from God, but Daniel was a peculiar person living in Babylon(present day Baghdad, Iraq from what I've researched). Daniel not only prophesied in Babylon, but he interpreted dreams in a way none of the king's magicians could. Daniel and his squad also disregarded orders that went against God. According to the Bible, his 3 little homies got thrown in a furnace and walked out unharmed while the king's men were burnt when the furnace was opened. Daniel was put in the lion's den, and the lions were ready to eat when the king's men and their families were thrown into the den after he was let out. Just saying, they turned some heads. Highly unlikely any of what happened with Daniel was passed down from generation to generation, yet still potentially worth taking a second look at, but nah, Islam is perfect...

How could any of this make sense? Well it's said that one day every knee will bow and worship God in truth, and the Quran was an excellent way of gathering up all the Israelites' enemies(Ishmaelites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, etc) into one religion that acknowledges the Bible. Then God made religion easy for the Greeks and Romans, and He showed what He can do if He so chooses. He showed that no sin is too big to be forgiven. It's said that God is going to destroy this world one, so when that happens, it will most likely be a lesson to teach Muslims that Islam may not be as perfect as they currently believe it is. It will be a lesson to the Jews that if God sends a messenger down, then they better listen and not judge him. Lastly, it will be a lesson to the Christians that God is to be feared and not mocked.

Will God even destroy the world? Who knows? What if the end of times just means the end of the New Covenant and people can come together and find truth that lies somewhere within a healthy balance of all 3 religions that acknowledge the Bible. Like what did Jesus really die for? Well gee, I don't know, maybe it's for whatever happened to Muhammad?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What must be considered is that the muslim Faith has no power of influence in the Holy Land in this day, so this observation from your link shows it was not to be the Message of Muhammad fulfilling those passages

"..The blessing embraces the whole history of Israel from Jacob's time until its ultimate completion...."

The link refers to many prophecies and all I would offer is the King of Kings has been laid to rest in Israel. The one who came like a thief in the night.

Regards Tony

Here's the reasoning behind the verse about when Shiloh comes.

Coming of the Prophet according to Bible - IslamiCity
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I just find it a little strange how Muhammad was punished at the end of his life by spirits haunting him, and no one ever thinks, "What if it's God punishing him?" I also find it strange how no one who reads the Quran wants to acknowledge that God's Holy Spirit is present in the Quran. Because that would mean that God may have misled the Muslims into believing their way is supported and true, and if God misled the Muslims, then He may have just misled the Christians as well. But how could the Lord ever do such a thing?

Well Peter and Paul were the main characters in the Book of Acts which stretches through the timeline of all the letters written up until Revelation which was written by John. Peter and Paul may have just been cursed. Peter for denying he ever knew Jesus when put under pressure. Jesus said to fear God not man, because God will determine where you spend eternity. Paul was persecuting and killing Christians. Highly unlikely that's the case yet a possibility worth taking a second look at for entertainment's sake.

Muslims also pretend they have no clue where these prophecies came from if not direct revelations from God, but Daniel was a peculiar person living in Babylon(present day Baghdad, Iraq from what I've researched). Daniel not only prophesied in Babylon, but he interpreted dreams in a way none of the king's magicians could. Daniel and his squad also disregarded orders that went against God. According to the Bible, his 3 little homies got thrown in a furnace and walked out unharmed while the king's men were burnt when the furnace was opened. Daniel was put in the lion's den, and the lions were ready to eat when the king's men and their families were thrown into the den after he was let out. Just saying, they turned some heads. Highly unlikely any of what happened with Daniel was passed down from generation to generation, yet still potentially worth taking a second look at, but nah, Islam is perfect...

How could any of this make sense? Well it's said that one day every knee will bow and worship God in truth, and the Quran was an excellent way of gathering up all the Israelites' enemies(Ishmaelites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, etc) into one religion that acknowledges the Bible. Then God made religion easy for the Greeks and Romans, and He showed what He can do if He so chooses. He showed that no sin is too big to be forgiven. It's said that God is going to destroy this world one, so when that happens, it will most likely be a lesson to teach Muslims that Islam may not be as perfect as they currently believe it is. It will be a lesson to the Jews that if God sends a messenger down, then they better listen and not judge him. Lastly, it will be a lesson to the Christians that God is to be feared and not mocked.

Will God even destroy the world? Who knows? What if the end of times just means the end of the New Covenant and people can come together and find truth that lies somewhere within a healthy balance of all 3 religions that acknowledge the Bible. Like what did Jesus really die for? Well gee, I don't know, maybe it's for whatever happened to Muhammad?

Daniel is not the hero of the Book of Daniel.. He is one of the authors.

I think Daniel is very poorly understood, including by me..

This may interest you.

Information on Daniel
W. Sibley Towner writes: "Daniel is one of the few OT books that can be given a fairly firm date. In the form in which we have it (perhaps without the additions of 12:11, 12), the book must have been given its final form some time in the years 167-164 B.C. This dating is based upon two assumptions: first, that the authors lived at the later end of the historical surveys that characterize Daniel 7-12; and second, that prophecy is accurate only when it is given after the fact, whereas predictions about the future tend to run astray.

Continued

Early Jewish writings.

Daniel
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Here's the reasoning behind the verse about when Shiloh comes.

Coming of the Prophet according to Bible - IslamiCity

I consider that any passage that can prove a Messenger of God in the Bible and Quran, will also prove Baha'u'llah. I see all the Holy Books of the past were revealed to prepare humanity for Baha'u'llah.

In the end, I am nothing as my self, in my own thoughts. We must become all embracing.

Regards Tony
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I consider that any passage that can prove a Messenger of God in the Bible and Quran, will also prove Baha'u'llah. I see all the Holy Books of the past were revealed to prepare humanity for Baha'u'llah.

In the end, I am nothing as my self, in my own thoughts. We must become all embracing.

Regards Tony

I am so ignorant about Bahai faith its pitiful.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well duh, God is... They also talk about archangel or angel Gabriel who Muhammad even talks about in the Quran and says it's the Holy Spirit...

The Book of Daniel was not written immediately after the Exile.
snip
The Book of Daniel was written during the persecutions of Israel by the Syrian king Antiochus Epiphanes. This assertion is supported by the following data: The kingdom which is symbolized by the he goat (viii. 5 et seq.) is expressly named as the "kingdom of Yawan"—that is, the Grecian kingdom (viii. 21) the great horn being its first king, Alexander the Great (definitely stated in Seder "Olam R. xxx.), and the little horn Antiochus Epiphanes (175-164).

Daniel
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
I just find it a little strange how Muhammad was punished at the end of his life by spirits haunting him, and no one ever thinks, "What if it's God punishing him?"

He wasn't punished, he explained to people how to get ride of this later.

And it's like saying when Job was sick and faced many difficulties it was because God punished him.

Daniel not only prophesied in Babylon, but he interpreted dreams in a way none of the king's magicians could. Daniel and his squad also disregarded orders that went against God. According to the Bible, his 3 little homies got thrown in a furnace and walked out unharmed while the king's men were burnt when the furnace was opened. Daniel was put in the lion's den, and the lions were ready to eat when the king's men and their families were thrown into the den after he was let out. Just saying, they turned some heads. Highly unlikely any of what happened with Daniel was passed down from generation to generation, yet still potentially worth taking a second look at, but nah, Islam is perfect...

Why are you talking about Daniel ? I don't get the point
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Such are our choices.

The story of Jonah is that of making choices, strong in faith of One God.

Regards Tony

Jonah is a comic novella. Jonah was angry after he been to Nineveh and the people had repented. He wanted God to destroy them anyway. Its funny how God takes away the shade of the Castor Bean tree while Jonah is having a pout.
 

Remté

Active Member
I just find it a little strange how Muhammad was punished at the end of his life by spirits haunting him, and no one ever thinks, "What if it's God punishing him?" I also find it strange how no one who reads the Quran wants to acknowledge that God's Holy Spirit is present in the Quran. Because that would mean that God may have misled the Muslims into believing their way is supported and true, and if God misled the Muslims, then He may have just misled the Christians as well. But how could the Lord ever do such a thing?
I don't understand. What are you saying?
Muslims also pretend they have no clue where these prophecies came from if not direct revelations from God, but Daniel was a peculiar person living in Babylon................. ................. what happened with Daniel was passed down from generation to generation, yet still potentially worth taking a second look at, but nah, Islam is perfect...

How could any of this make sense? Well it's said that one day every knee will bow and worship God in truth, and the Quran was an excellent way of gathering up all the Israelites' enemies(Ishmaelites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, etc) into one religion that acknowledges the Bible. Then God made religion easy for the Greeks and Romans, and He showed what He can do if He so chooses. He showed that no sin is too big to be forgiven. It's said that God is going to destroy this world one, so when that happens, it will most likely be a lesson to teach Muslims that Islam may not be as perfect as they currently believe it is. It will be a lesson to the Jews that if God sends a messenger down, then they better listen and not judge him. Lastly, it will be a lesson to the Christians that God is to be feared and not mocked.

Will God even destroy the world? Who knows? What if the end of times just means the end of the New Covenant and people can come together and find truth that lies somewhere within a healthy balance of all 3 religions that acknowledge the Bible. Like what did Jesus really die for? Well gee, I don't know, maybe it's for whatever happened to Muhammad?
What is your problem with Islam? I have never seen it yet.
 

jfietsam

Member
I don't understand. What are you saying?
What is your problem with Islam? I have never seen it yet.

Because I read a Quran, and it turned me into a bigger douche bag than I already am. At least right now I'm an honest douche bag, but when I read a Quran, I couldn't stop scheming and telling lies. You play dumb when you're challenged. You act like you don't know the contents of your book.

The whole validity of Islam is based off the hatred of other religions and condemning everyone to the everlasting fire. that will be their place for eternity. We just had a Muslim president, and the book very clearly riddles that you guys want nothing more than to take over America, so the man can force our women to marry them. Then of course no new prisoners were taken to Guantanamo Bay during his presidency. Iran is getting hold of our weapons. I don't even believe the wars in the Middle East are legit. I think it's all just staged, because everyone's going to work against America when the time comes... The religion is filled with lying hypocrites, because that is exactly what God will turn anyone into who reads the book.

Now go ahead and pretend you don't understand what I'm talking about, but your religion is totally based off the hatred of others, and God will turn anyone evil who buys into the Quran. With that being said, I will say that the Quran does make some valid points about each religion, but just because it proves everyone else wrong, it does not make Islam correct. I hope I get banned for this post. This forum is total bs anyways, and it wouldn't let me delete my account.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
He wasn't punished, he explained to people how to get ride of this later.

And it's like saying when Job was sick and faced many difficulties it was because God punished him.



Why are you talking about Daniel ? I don't get the point

Daniel was NEVER in Babylon.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I just find it a little strange how Muhammad was punished at the end of his life by spirits haunting him, and no one ever thinks, "What if it's God punishing him?" I also find it strange how no one who reads the Quran wants to acknowledge that God's Holy Spirit is present in the Quran. Because that would mean that God may have misled the Muslims into believing their way is supported and true, and if God misled the Muslims, then He may have just misled the Christians as well. But how could the Lord ever do such a thing?

Well Peter and Paul were the main characters in the Book of Acts which stretches through the timeline of all the letters written up until Revelation which was written by John. Peter and Paul may have just been cursed. Peter for denying he ever knew Jesus when put under pressure. Jesus said to fear God not man, because God will determine where you spend eternity. Paul was persecuting and killing Christians. Highly unlikely that's the case yet a possibility worth taking a second look at for entertainment's sake.

Muslims also pretend they have no clue where these prophecies came from if not direct revelations from God, but Daniel was a peculiar person living in Babylon(present day Baghdad, Iraq from what I've researched). Daniel not only prophesied in Babylon, but he interpreted dreams in a way none of the king's magicians could. Daniel and his squad also disregarded orders that went against God. According to the Bible, his 3 little homies got thrown in a furnace and walked out unharmed while the king's men were burnt when the furnace was opened. Daniel was put in the lion's den, and the lions were ready to eat when the king's men and their families were thrown into the den after he was let out. Just saying, they turned some heads. Highly unlikely any of what happened with Daniel was passed down from generation to generation, yet still potentially worth taking a second look at, but nah, Islam is perfect...

How could any of this make sense? Well it's said that one day every knee will bow and worship God in truth, and the Quran was an excellent way of gathering up all the Israelites' enemies(Ishmaelites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, etc) into one religion that acknowledges the Bible. Then God made religion easy for the Greeks and Romans, and He showed what He can do if He so chooses. He showed that no sin is too big to be forgiven. It's said that God is going to destroy this world one, so when that happens, it will most likely be a lesson to teach Muslims that Islam may not be as perfect as they currently believe it is. It will be a lesson to the Jews that if God sends a messenger down, then they better listen and not judge him. Lastly, it will be a lesson to the Christians that God is to be feared and not mocked.

Will God even destroy the world? Who knows? What if the end of times just means the end of the New Covenant and people can come together and find truth that lies somewhere within a healthy balance of all 3 religions that acknowledge the Bible. Like what did Jesus really die for? Well gee, I don't know, maybe it's for whatever happened to Muhammad?

Daniel was never in Babylon.
 

jfietsam

Member
Daniel was never in Babylon.

Have you never read the Bible? That's what I can't stand about Christians as well. You guys talk before you know what you're talking about... It clearly states that Daniel was in Babylon in the Bible. Read your Bible and read the Old Testament before you think you're so smart. When's the ban coming? I'm going filterless til it comes...
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Have you never read the Bible? That's what I can't stand about Christians as well. You guys talk before you know what you're talking about... It clearly states that Daniel was in Babylon in the Bible. Read your Bible and read the Old Testament before you think you're so smart. When's the ban coming? I'm going filterless til it comes...

Daniel wrote about Babylon, but he was never in Babylon. The author of the book of Daniel was NOT Daniel.. and it was written about 165 BC. The Babylonian exile was over in 538 BC.

More charlatan's and crackpots Like David Koresh and Hal Lindsey have botched up Daniel ..
 

jfietsam

Member
I've looked into every religion that I could possibly find including Hinduism, Buddhism(only a little), Judaism, Islam, Christianity and Jehovah's Witness. What it comes down to is that no religion makes perfect sense to me, and people go on trying to convince others of their beliefs, so they can feel better about their own beliefs. They put others down to make themselves look better, and I'm done trying to convince anyone to listen to me. I've given everyone a fair shot to explain to me in a way that makes sense, and no one can. No one gives me the time of day to explain my views without getting combative, so I just want my ban. Then I can stay off this site for good. You guys don't even care about truth. What's the point of people gathering together from different religions online if they aren't going to come together to create a practical solution? There is no point, it's just a bunch of back and forth bs.
 

jfietsam

Member
Daniel wrote about Babylon, but he was never in Babylon. The author of the book of Daniel was NOT Daniel.. and it was written about 165 BC. The Babylonian exile was over in 538 BC.

More charlatan's and crackpots Like David Koresh and Hal Lindsey have botched up Daniel ..

You are the crackpot...
 
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