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Before the MAGA hats celebrate.....

Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
shmogie said:
A protected class ? I think not. How can a member of an alleged protected class then be convicted of a hate crime for spray painting racist slurs on the walls of a white Christian church ? It has happened.

As in the case of all crimes, the people are the victims.

If my neighbor burns a cross in his front yard, is that a hate crime ?
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Because religion is a protected class. Even a "white" Christian Church. (and talk about tipping your hand). Being a member of a protected class doesn't make you immune to being charged with a hate crime.

So, now that I've answered your deflection, perhaps you'd like to answer my actual question?
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
shmogie said:
As in the case of all crimes, the people are the victims.
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and if you can show that the crime was motivated by hate against 'the people', and 'the people' qualify as a protected class, I guess you'd have a hate crime. Do you have evidence of such a motive?
If my neighbor burns a cross in his front yard, is that a hate crime ?
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If it's his front yard, I wouldn't have thought so. I don't think you understand what hate crimes are.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Ever notice the people most upset about concepts like "hate crimes" are the people who can't actually explain what a "hate crime" is?
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Epic Beard Man said:
We are talking about the narrative of false accusations and Trump's base overemphasizing punishment such as calling Smollett to be charged with a hate crime. Smollett's case does not fit the legal definition of a hate crime. sure, it fits the definition of filing a false report, but it surely does not fit the role of slander/defamation (assuming the two white men conjured in his story do not exist). So my point in the OP is if we as observers are going to say those who make false accusations ought to serve the same amount of time those who are accused and convicted, then are we are we going to say that we will have the same mindset of those misusing law enforcement resources to falsely accuse someone?



My initial reaction to the first Smollet thread was based on Smolett's version of the event, the second was an evolution based on the evidence and his credibility.
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Yes. You still made a threads did you not?
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I never imparted my personal opinion in the first thread, only in the second (it helps if you actually read the paraphrase in the first thread). As far as deflection, if you cared to read the initial post, I was referencing the Facebook comments by Trump supporters calling for Smollett to be charged with a hate crime. I don't know why you're flattering yourself.
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It does not take much to figure out your MO. Also you are ignoring the back and forth between you and Kangaroo complaining about how many feel vindicated from the lefts boogieman caricature
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shad said:
It does not take much to figure out your MO. Also you are ignoring the back and forth between you and Kangaroo complaining about how many feel vindicated from the lefts boogieman caricature
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This is the really awful thing about the Smollett debacle, ie, that even though
it's widely recognized as a fraud...to falsely demonize Trump, supporters, voters
& white folk....it's still being used to demonize Trump, voters & supporters.
This can only encourage more such frauds because true or not the effect
is nearly the same, ie, justifying their feelings of opposition & hatred.

Moreover, there shouldn't even be an issue about some false accusations
being acceptable, while others aren't....all based upon race & politics of
the parties involved. Let it be known: It's always wrong. Prosecute'm.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
This is the really awful thing about the Smollett debacle, ie, that even though
it's widely recognized as a fraud...to falsely demonize Trump, supporters, voters
& white folk....it's still being used to demonize Trump, voters & supporters.
This can only encourage more such frauds because true or not the effect
is nearly the same, ie, justifying their feelings of opposition & hatred.
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If they acknowledge the left's boogeyman they would have less to complain about.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Kangaroo Feathers said:
and if you can show that the crime was motivated by hate against 'the people', and 'the people' qualify as a protected class, I guess you'd have a hate crime. Do you have evidence of such a motive? If it's his front yard, I wouldn't have thought so. I don't think you understand what hate crimes are.
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Oh, I clearly understand what they are, and they have nothing to do with alleged protected classes. Further, intent is not necessarily an element of the crime.

A hate crime exists when acts of animus against another appear to be the result of the hatred of another because of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, handicap, etc.

A white straight male beaten up by a group of homosexuals for being straight, and if that element can be shown, he is a victim of a hate crime.

I never said Smollet committed a hate crime.

I was exploring why people might consider it so.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Epic Beard Man said:
Blah blah blah so anyway what say you of the domestic white terrorist that was caught planning an attack? I’m sure he’s one of the good guys right?
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Cute. He should be thrown in jail for life, as should black terrorists ( oops, the good guyś, right ?) Hispanic terrorists, Latvian terrorists, homosexual terrorists, straight terrorists, Christian terrorists, Muslim terrorists, Taoist terrorists, handicapped terrorists........................................

In your world of identity politics, did I get enough groups in ?
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
shmogie said:
I was exploring why people might consider it so.
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The general idea is the description of the attackers Smollett provided demonstrates a racist view. This in turn make the whole section of the population victims. Toss in how easily the media failed to be journalists, again, magnified the coverage willingly as it fit the agenda of various political hacks pretending to be journalists.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Revoltingest said:
Moreover, there shouldn't even be an issue about some false accusations
being acceptable, while others aren't....all based upon race & politics of
the parties involved. Let it be known: It's always wrong. Prosecute'm.
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You mean, like Trump's many accusations?
Such as Obama is not legally qualified to be President? Or that Obama ordered the FBI to wiretap his campaign headquarters?
That sort of thing, just to name a couple? "Prosecute'm"?
Tom
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
shmogie said:
Oh, I clearly understand what they are, and they have nothing to do with alleged protected classes. Further, intent is not necessarily an element of the crime.

A hate crime exists when acts of animus against another appear to be the result of the hatred of another because of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, handicap, etc.

A white straight male beaten up by a group of homosexuals for being straight, and if that element can be shown, he is a victim of a hate crime.

I never said Smollet committed a hate crime.

I was exploring why people might consider it so.
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Sure thing guy. And I've never played "imply then deny", before, either.
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Shad said:
The general idea is the description of the attackers Smollett provided demonstrates a racist view. This in turn make the whole section of the population victims. Toss in how easily the media failed to be journalists, again, magnified the coverage willingly as it fit the agenda of various political hacks pretending to be journalists.
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The media reacting to a story as reported makes a hate crime now? Good one.
 
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